GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE 2024 MARYLAND SENATE DEBATE FROM THE IRENE AND EDWIN H. KAPLAN PRODUCTION STUDIO AT MARYLAND PUBLIC TELEVISION IN OWINGS MILL MAJORITY LEADER.

WE ARE EXCITED TO BRING YOU THE DEBATE FROM NBC NEWS, WBAL-TV.

>> I'M CHUCKED TO, MODERATOR FOR TONIGHT'S DEBATE BETWEEN THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE ANGELA ALSOBROOKS AND THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE LARRY HOGAN.

LET'S BEGIN BY QUICKLY COVERING THE RULES FOR TODAY'S EVENT.

THE DEBATE WILL LAST ONE HOUR AND BEGIN WITH 90 SECOND OPENING STATEMENTS FROM EACH CANDIDATES.

THEN OUR PANELISTS AND MYSELF WILL POST QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO THE CANDIDATE.

NBC NEWS AND OUR TEAM OF PANELISTS GENERATED THE QUESTIONS.

THE CANDIDATES HAVE NOT SEEN THEM IN ADVANCE.

EACH CANDIDATE WILL HAVE ONE MINUTE TO RESPOND AND THE CANDIDATE ANSWERING THE FIRST WILL GET AN ADDITIONAL 30 SECOND REBUTTAL.

AS MODERATOR I RESERVE THE RIGHT TO FOLLOW UP AS NEEDED.

WE WILL CONCLUDE WITH ONE MINUTE CLOSING STATEMENTS.

THEY WILL BE GIVEN THEIR REMAINING TIME AND WHEN THE TIME HAS EXPIRED.

TRYING TO COVER AS MUCH GROUND AS POSSIBLE, WE ASK THE CANDIDATES TO ADHERE TO THE TIME LIMITS.

LETS WELCOME OUR PANELISTS ALL OF WHOM HAVE COVERED MARYLAND POLITICS FOR DECADES.

DEEB RA WEINER AND JEFF CAL SALKIN, ANCHOR AT MARYLAND PUBLIC TELEVISION AND NOW OF COURSE THE CANDIDATES.

REPUBLICAN AND FORMER GOVERNOR OF MARYLAND LARRY HOGAN AND DEMOCRAT AND THE CURRENT PRINCE GEORGES COUNTY EXECUTIVE ANGELA ALSOBROOKS.

AND WITH THAT, WE BEGIN WITH THE DEBATE.

>> THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK OUR HOST FOR HAVING US TONIGHT I WANT TO THANK FORMER GOVERNOR HOGAN FOR BEING HERE AS WELL AND FOR EVERYONE FOR TUNING IN.

I'M ANGELA ALSOBROOKS.

I'M THE PROUD DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR UNITED STATES SENATE.

LIKE MANY MARYLANDERS, I'M A MEMBER OF THE SANDWICH GENERATION, PROUD MOTHER OF A 19-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER AND PROUD DAUGHTER OF A RETIRED RECEPTIONIST AND NEWSPAPER DELIVERY MAN.

I GREW UP IN MARYLAND AND SPENT MY ENTIRE ADULT LIFE IN PUBLIC SERVICE.

BEGINNING MY CAREER AS A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PROSECUTOR WHERE I STOOD UP FOR OUR FAMILIES AND HELD VIOLENT OFFENDERS ACCOUNTABLE.

AS THE ELECTED PROSECUTOR, I ALSO LOWERED VIOLENT CRIME BY 50%.

AS COUNTY EXECUTIVE, I HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE TOP JOB CREATORS IN THE STATE OF MARYLAND.

WE BUILT 10 NEW SCHOOLS AND WE ARE BREAKING GROUND ON AN ADDITIONAL EIGHT.

IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE, I WILL STAND UP FOR OUR VALUES, CREATING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERY MARYLAND FAMILY.

I WILL ALSO FIGHT FOR OUR FREEDOMS LIKE A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE, CONTRACEPTION AND IVF AND FIGHT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ENDING GUN VIOLENCE IN AMERICA.

I WILL WORK ALSO TO HAND THE MARKET TO MY FRIEND AND MENTOR PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS TO ENSURE SHE IS EFFECTIVE AS PRESIDENT OF UNITED STATES.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS.

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GOVERNOR HOGAN YOUR OPENING STATEMENT.

>> THANK YOU, CHUCK AND THANK YOU TO MARYLAND PUBLIC TELEVISION, NBC AND ITS AFFILIATED IN WASHINGTON AND BALTIMORE, A PLEASURE TO BE HERE.

I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR TUNING IN TONIGHT AND I JUST WANT TO START BY SAYING THAT I LIKE AND RESPECT ANGELA ALSOBROOKS.

WE GOT A CHANCE TO WORK TOGETHER WHILE I WAS GOVERNOR.

WE ACCOMPLISHED A GREAT DEAL TOGETHER FOR PRINCE GEORGES COUNTY AND SHE HAS A GREAT LIFE STORY.

I JUST HAPPEN TO BELIEVE THAT RIGHT NOW, THE REASON I'M STEPPING UP TO RUN IS NOT TO RUN AGAINST HER OR TO TRY TO DEFEAT HER.

THE REASON I DECIDED TO RUN FOR GOVERNOR-- RUN FOR SENATE-- THE REASON I RAN FOR GOVERNOR I WAS FRUSTRATED WITH THE TAXES AND UNAFFORDABILITY.

I STEPPED UP TO RUN FOR SENATE BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER BEEN MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE DIRECTION OF OUR COUNTRY THIS.

WHAT WE SEE TODAY IS NOTHING BUT DIVISIVENESS AND DYSFUNCTION IN WASHINGTON WHERE NOTHING SEEMS TO GET DONE.

OUR COUNTRY IS BEING TORN APART BY THE EXTREME VOICES ON BOTH SIDES.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO SOLVE ANY OF THE TERRIBLE PROBLEMS FACING THE COUNTRY WITH MORE PARTISANSHIP.

AND ONE MORE PARTY LINE VOTE OR JUST CONTINUING TO DO THE SAME THING THAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE.

THE ONLY WAY WE ARE GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, IF WE CAN FIND STRONG, INDEPENDENT LEADERS WHO ARE WILLING TO STAND UP TO BOTH PARTIES AND TRY TO BRING ABOUT COMMON SENSE BIPARTISAN SOLUTIONS, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT I DELIVERED FOR EIGHT YEARS AS GOVERNOR SCH LET'S GET THE DEBATE STARTED.

I WANT TO START WITH BOTH OF YOUR POLITICAL IDENTITIES.

YOU AND YOUR PARTY HAVE BEEN CAMPAIGNING AGAINST GOVERNOR HOGAN BY SINGLING OUT HIS PARTY AFFILIATION MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.

IS HIS MAJOR DISQUALIFICATION FOR THIS OFFICE SIMPLY THAT HE IS A MEMBER OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY?

>> FIRST OF ALL, HAVE I TO TELL YOU THE STAKES OF THIS ELECTIN COULD NOT BE ANY HIGHER.

WE ARE FACING AN ELECTION WHERE THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY AND OUR FREEDOMS ARE AT STAKE.

WHAT WE RECOGNIZE IN THIS ELECTION A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE IS ON THE BALLOT.

WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT THE FORMER GOVERNOR IS A PERSON WHO VETOED AN IMPORTANT ABORTION CARE LEGISLATION AND ALSO VETOED IMPORTANT LEGISLATION THAT WOULD HAVE CREATED A SIMPLE BAN ON GUNS AND WOULD HAVE DISALLOWED LONG GUNS CREATED A WAITING PERIOD.

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS DECLARED WAR ON WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOMS.

WE RECOGNIZE THIS PARTY OF CHAOS AND DIVISION LED BY DONALD TRUMP IS ONE THAT CANNOT LEAD OUR COUNTRY AND ALSO HAS SEVERE CONSEQUENCES FOR MARYLANDERS.

UNFORTUNATELY, FORMER GOVERNOR HOGAN ACCEPTED AN INVITATION BY MITCH McCONNELL TO RUN IN THIS RACE BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GIVE REPUBLICANS A MAJORITY IN THE SENATE.

DOING SO WILL CONTROL SUPREME COURT JUSTICE NOMINATIONS AND CONTROL CABINET APPOINTMENTS FOR PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS AND I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT HAVING A MAJORITY CONTROLLED BY REPUBLICANS IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR STATE OR OUR COUNTRY.

>> Mr. HOGAN ONE MINUTE.

>> WELL, WE ARE GOING TO HEAR A LOT ABOUT THIS KIND OF TALK ALL NIGHT.

THAT'S THE WAY THEY TALK IN WASHINGTON.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT JUST TRYING TO FOCUS ON NOTHING BUT PARTY IS NOT WHAT I'M GOING TO DO.

YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR NOTHING BUT RED VERSUS BLUE.

I CARE A LOT MORE ABOUT THE RED, WHITE AND BLUE.

I HAVE BEEN THE LEADING VOICE IN MY PARTY STANDING UP TO SOME OF THE THINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT.

EVERYTHING YOU SAID, YOUR ENTIRE CAMPAIGN IS BASED ON, YOU KNOW, MULTIPLE THINGS THAT ARE COMPLETELY NOT TRUE.

I WILL SUPPORT AND WILL SPONSOR CODIFYING ROE.

I'VE SAID THAT FROM THE BEGINNING.

WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR, WHAT I RAN FOR GOVERNOR, I PROMISED TO SUPPORT WOMEN'S ACCESS TO ABORTION AND I DELIVERED ON THAT PROMISE FOR EIGHT YEARS.

THE BILL YOU ARE REFERRING TO WAS ABOUT PROTECTING WOMEN BECAUSE IT WAS ROLLING BACK AND MAKING IT LESS SAFE FOR WOMEN TO GET ACCESS FOR ABORTION ALLOWING NON-MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS, AND FOR TO YOU LIE ABOUT SOMETHING AS IMPORTANT AS THIS ISSUE, IT REALLY IS INSULTING.

>> YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS TO RESPOND TO THAT.

>> I HAVE WORKED ACROSS THE AISLE.

I WORKED WITH THE FORMER GOVERNOR GET GETTING $400 MILLION TO INVEST IN PRINCE GEORGES COUNTY CAUSING THE FORMER GOVERNOR TO CALL ME THE BEST COUNTY EXECUTIVE HE HAD EVER KNOWN.

HIS FATHER WAS COUNTY EXECUTIVE AND I WAS STILL BEST HE HAD EVER KNOWN.

IT IS AN UNREFUTED FACT THAT HE VETOED ABORTION LEGISLATION AND REFUSED TO RELEASE THE FINNING AND SAID THAT DONALD TRUMP DESERVED CREDIT FOR HIS SUPREME COURT JUSTICES AFTER THEY OVERRED ROE.

>> I'M GOING TO USE MY DISCRETION HERE.

YOU HAVE A LOT OF TV ADS THAT TALK ABOUT YOUR INDEPENDENCE.

YOU ARE GOING TO BE A POLITICAL INDEPENDENT.

THESE TV ADS ARE PAID FOR BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, THE CAN VOTERS REALLY BELIEVE YOU WILL BE AN INDEPENDENT IF THE REPUBLICANS ARE PAY PAYING FOR YOUR TV ADVERTISING?

>> I THINK THE VOTERS OF MARYLAND KNOW ME AND THEY KNOW MY PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF STANDING UP TO DONALD TRUMP, TO MITCH McCONNELL AND TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

I'VE PROBABLY STOOD UP MORE THAN ANYONE IN AMERICA.

I MEAN YOU KNOW I HAVE BEEN ON YOUR SHOW MULTIPLE TIMES.

I'M ONE OF THE HARSHEST CRITICS.

THE PEOPLE KNOW THAT I WAS A BIPARTISAN GOVERNOR WHO GOT THINGS DONE BY WORKING WITH A 70% DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATURE AND WE ACCOMPLISHED A HECK OF A LOT BY REACHING ACROSS THE AISLE.

I'M NOT A MAGA DONALD TRUMP MITCH McCONNELL PERSON AS MY OPPONENT WOULD LET YOU BELIEVE.

>> I GIVE YOU 30 SECONDS.

IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE CURRENT DEMOCRATIC AGENDA YOU WILL FIGHT AGAINST?

>> IN THE DEMOCRATIC AGENDA?

I SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC AGENDA TO CODIFY IN FEDERAL LAW WOMEN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE.

I SUPPORT BANNING ASSAULT WEAPONS.

I SUPPORT MIDDLE-CLASS TAX CUTS.

SO I SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC AGENDA BUT LET ME JUST SAY THIS.

I STOOD UP TO MY PARTY WHEN PRESIDENT BIDEN LOOKED LIKE HE WAS WAFFLING ON THE FBI, I MARCHED RIGHT IN THERE AND FOUGHT AGAINST HIM, TIM CANADIAN AND MARK WOERNER TO GET THE FBI HEADQUARTERS LOCATED IN MARYLAND AND I WON.

>> THANK YOU.

DEBORAH HAS THE NEXT QUESTION.

>> Mr. HOGAN, ALONG THESE LINES OF YOUR CRITICISM OF FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, GIVEN Mr. TRUMP'S VOW TO SECRETORY ABUSE IF HE WINS, COULD YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM TO SEEK RETRIBUTION, COULD THAT HURT MARYLAND?

>> WHAT WE NEED DESPERATELY IN WASHINGTON ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING, THAT HAVE THE COURAGE TO PUT COUNTRY OVER PARTY AND PEOPLE OVER POLITICS.

I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYONE IN AMERICA THAT HAS DONE THAT MORE THAN ME.

HAVE I NEVER BACKED DOWN.

I'M ONE OF THE TOM ONES IN MY PARTY THAT CAN SAY THAT.

I JUST DON'T THINK WE ARE GOING TO FIX ANYTHING BY TALKING ABOUT HOW WE ARE GOING TO JAM THINGS THROUGH, EVERYTHING HAS TO BE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT.

I JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM WASHINGTON, WAS ABLE TO GET A LOT DONE BY DOING JUST THE OPPOSITE.

WE SET AN EXAMPLE FOR WHAT EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN WASHINGTON BY WORKING TOGETHER AND I WAS HAPPY TO WORK WITH COUNTY EXECUTIVE ALSOBROOKS.

WE WORKED FOR EIGHT YEARS TO GET THE FBI AND AFTER SHE BECAME COUNTY EXECUTIVE WE CONTINUED TO WORK TOGETHER.

I BUILT A NEW CANCER CENTER AND HOSPITAL IN PRINCE GEORGES AS PART OF MY CANCER MOON SHOT INITIATIVE.

WE FUNDED THE BLUE LINE CORRIDOR.

I WORK WITH PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE.

THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I'M KNOWN FOR.

>> ONE MINUTE TO RESPOND.

>> FORMER GOVERNOR IS RIGHT.

WE WORK TOGETHER VERY WELL.

BUILT A NEW CANCER CENTER.

MADE RECORD INVESTMENTS IN PRINCE GEORGES COUNTY BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IF HE WANTED TO BE AN INDEPENDENT, HE SHOULD HAVE RUN AS ONE.

HE DID NOT OPT TO RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT.

HE OPTED TO ACCEPT MITCH McCONNELL'S REQUEST TO COME IN AND MITCH McCONNELL BRAGGED ABOUT RECRUITING THE FORMER GOVERNOR BECAUSE IT WOULD GIVE THEM A MAJORITY IN THE SENATE.

IT HAS HUGE CONSEQUENCES.

I BELIEVE THE GOVERNOR WHEN HE SAYS HE WOULD LIKE TO VOTE WITH ROE BUT IF THE REPUBLICANS HAVE% THE MAJORITY IN THE SENATE, THIS WILL BE NO VOTE ON ROE.

WE HAVE SEEN IT WITH REPUBLICANS WHO REVIEWS FUSE TO ALLOW BARACK OBAMA HIS VOTE ON MERRICK GARLAND AND THEY WILL HAND OVER THE GUN LAWS TO THE NRA.

WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT NO MATTER WHAT FORMER HOGAN SAYS TODAY, HE WOULD EMPOWER A CAUCUS OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK WARDS, PUTTING LINDSEY GRAHAM OVER THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND TED CRUZ OVER THE SCIENCE COMMITTEE WHO IS A SCIENCE AND CLIMATE DENIER.

HE WOULD EMPOWER A CAUCUS AGAINST OUR VALUES.

>> I THINK SOMETIMES ONE VOICE STANDING UP REALLY CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED MORE PARTISAN POLITICIANS WHO ARE GOING TO BE RUBBER STAMPED FOR THEIR PARTY.

WHAT WE NEED ARE PEOPLE WILLING TO STAND UP AND WORK WITH BOTH PARTIES OR TO CRITICIZE BOTH PARTIES WHEN THEY'RE WRONG.

I WAS GOVERNOR THROUGH THREE PRESIDENTS.

WORKED WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA AND TRUMP AND BIDEN AND WE WERE ABLE-- WHEN I DISAGREED, I STRONGLY STOOD UP AND SAID I DISAGREED.

I STOOD UP TO MY PARTY AND WILL STAND UP TO EITHER PARTY.

I THINK WE NEED MAVERICK IN WASHINGTON THAT ARE NOT GOING TO DO WHAT THE PARTY BOSSES TELL THEM TO DO.

>> TRACEE WITH THE NEXT QUESTION.

>> Mr. HOGAN AND HIS ALLIES HAVE ATTACKED YOU FOR CLAIMING TAX CREDITS WERE INELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE INCLUDING ONE MEANT FOR SENIORS.

YOUR OPPONENTS ARGUE THOSE TAX CREDITS YOU CLAIMED MAKE YOU UNTRUSTWORTHY FOR MARYLAND VOTERS.

WHAT IS YOUR RESPONSE?

>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION AND GIVING ME THE CHANCE TO CLEAR IT UP.

I HAVE ALWAYS PAID MY TAXES, ALWAYS.

I ALSO STOOD UP FOR MY GRANDMOTHER.

WHEN SHE NEEDED TO LEAVE HER HOUSE, I TOOK OVER HER MORTGAGE.

I PAID HER MORTGAGE UNTIL I SOLD THE HOUSE ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO AND NEVER KNEW THAT SHE HAD A SENIOR TAX CREDIT BECAUSE I NEVER APPLIED FOR ONE.

WHEN I LEARNED ABOUT IT, I REACHED OUT TO THE D.C. GOVERNMENT AND I HAVE PAID BACK THE AMOUNT OF THAT TAX CREDIT AND I'M WORKING TO PAY OFF THE INTEREST.

BUT I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION.

>> Mr. HOGAN, YOUR RESPONSE.

WHY SHOULD THIS MATTER TO VOTERS?

>> I'M NOT SURE IT SHOULD MATTER.

I THINK THAT THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE ALSOBROOKS HAS SAID SHE DIDN'T APPLY FOR THE TAX CREDIT.

SHE PAID SHE MADE OFF HER GRANDMOTHER'S MORTGAGE BUT SHE ALSO TOOK OUT HER OWN MORTGAGES AND SWORE EAFT IT WOULD BE HER PRIMARY RESIDENCE AND IT WAS NOT.

SHE GOT A TAX BREAK MEANT FOR LOW INCOME SENIORS AND SHE IS NO THE A LOW INCOME SENIOR AND IT WAS A RENTAL PROPERTY.

IT WAS NOT HER PERSONAL RESIDENCE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT PEOPLE SHOULD MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THAT.

I THINK SHE OUGHT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN HERSELF.

>> JUST TO CLARIFY, 30 SECONDS.

IS IT ALL PAID BACK.

YOU SAID YOU ARE WORKING TO PAY BACK.

>> I PAID BACK THE AMOUNT OF THE TAX CREDIT WHEN I WAS NOTIFIED THAT I GOT A TAX CREDIT.

AGAIN, I NEVER APPLIED FOR THE TAX CREDIT.

WAS NEVER NOTIFIED I HAD THE TAX CREDIT.

WHEN I LEARNED ABOUT IT, I PAID BACK THE AMOUNT OF THE TAX CREDIT AND I'M WORKING TO PAY OFF THE INTEREST.

>> JEFF HAS THE NEXT QUESTION.

>> U-NPC RELEASED A POLL SAYING 8 THE% OF MARYLANDERS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT INFLATION.

THREE PART QUESTION, PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE.

WHO GETS THE BLAME FOR THE WAVE OF INFLATION THAT WE HAD?

WHO GETS THE CREDIT FOR BRINGING DOWN THE RATE OF INFLATION AND HOW DO WE PREVENT THIS FROM EVER HAPPENING AGAIN?

>> Mr. HOGAN, YOU GO FIRST.

>> AFFORDABILITY, INFLATION IS A HUGE PROBLEM AND AS I'M OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL TALKING TO PEOPLE EVERY SINGLE DAY, IT'S THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE I HEAR B.

THE COST OF GROSS GROCERIES, COST OF HOUSING.

SIJ WILL MOM TRYING TO PUT GROCERIES ON THE TABLE.

YOUNG PERSON OR COUPLE TRYING TO BUY THEIR FIRST HOME PRICED OUT OF REACH.

INFLATION IS OUT OF KR0E8 AND PLENTY OF BLAME TO GO AROUND.

THIS IS ONE THAT REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS CAN BOTH TAKE BLAME FOR BECAUSE THEY BOTH RAN UP THE DEBT AND CONTINUE TO CAUSE THESE KINDS OF PROBLEMS.

AND I'M NOT SURE WHILE YOU SAY IT HAS COME DOWN, THE AVERAGE PERSON DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT HAS.

IT'S WHAT I RAN FOR GOVERNOR ON.

I WAS SO FRUSTRATED THAT THINGS WERE NOT AFFORDABLE AND MY FOCUS WAS ON MAKING LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE.

SO I CUT TAXES EIGHT YEARS IN A ROW BY $4.7 BILLION FOR HARD WORKING MARYLANDERS, FOR LOW INCOME MARYLANDERS, EARNED INCOME TAX CREDIT AND RETIREES, WE FOUGHT FOR EIGHT YEARS TO ELIMINATE RETIREMENT TAXES AND PASSED THAT IN MY LAST YEAR.

MY OPPONENT WANTS TO RAISE TAXES ON SOCIAL SECURITY WHICH IS NOT GOING TO MAKE THINGS MORE AFFORDABLE.

>> YOU HAVE A WINT.

>> WELL, YOU KNOW, LET ME JUST SAY I ALSO HAVE HEARD FROM SO MANY MARYLANDERS.

THE CONCERN I SHARE AS THE DAUGHTER OF A RECEPTIONIST AND CAR SALESMAN, I UNDERSTAND HOW THE COST OF GROCERIES THAT HAVE GONE UP 25% SINCE THE PANDEMIC AFFECT EVERYDAY FAMILIES.

AND WHAT WE UNDERSTAND IS THAT HUGE CORPORATIONS WHO HAVE RECEIVED RECORDS PROFITS RIGHT NOW ARE DOING SO AND PAYING FEWER TAXES THAN AVERAGE HARD WORKING CITIZENS.

I ATTRIBUTE THAT TO THE RISING COST.

AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE IS A LACK OF COMPETITION.

WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE SHAWR THAT WE ARE HOLDING BIG CORPORATIONS ACCOUNTABLE CAUSING THEM TO PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE OF TAXES.

I'LL CUT TAXES FOR THE MIDDLE-CLASS AND I DON'T PROPOSE RAISING TAXES ON ANYONE WHO EARNS UNDER $400,000.

THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS WE HAVE TO SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY FOR PEOPLE LIKE MY AGING PARENTS, SOCIAL SECURITY IS A LIFELINE.

BY 2035 IT'S DUE TO RUN OUT OF MONEY AND RAISING THE CAP FOR THOSE EARNING OVER $400,000 TO SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY IS GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT.

>> 30 SECONDS Mr. HOGAN.

>> I'VE GOT A LONG TRACK RECORD OF THIS BEING MY PRIMARY FOCUS.

IT'S WHY I RAN FOR GOVERNOR.

IT'S WHAT I FOCUSED ON FOR EIGHT YEARS AND I THINK WE HAD MORE SUCCESS THAN ANYONE IN AMERICA.

WE TOOK A TERRIBLE ECONOMY THAT WAS 49th OUT OF 50 STATES AND WE HAD A $5.1 BILLION DEFICIT AND TURNED NIGHT A SURPLUS AND MADE LIFE MORE AFFORDABLE FOR HARD WORKING FOLKS CUTTING TOLLS AND FEES AND TAXES EIGHT YEARS IN A ROW FOR THE POOREST OF MARYLANDERS AND RETIREES.

>> DEBORAH HAS THE NEXT QUESTION.

>> YOU ARE RUNNING FOR THE SEAT LONG HELD BY SENATOR BEN CARDIN, A STAUNCH SUPPORTER OF ISRAEL WHO PRESIDED OVER PRIME MINISTER BENJAMIN NETANYAHU'S ADDRESS TO A JOINT SESSION OF CONGRESS.

SENATOR CHRIS VAN HOLLAND REFUSED TO ATTEND THE SPEECH AND JOINED SEVEN OTHER SENATORS ASKING PRESIDENT BIDEN TO USE ALL LEAVERS TO PRESSURE ISRAEL OVER GAZA.

WHEN IT COMES TO ISRAEL AND THE NOW ONE-YEAR-OLD WAR, ARE YOU A CARDIN DEMOCRAT OR A VAN HOLLAND DEMOCRAT?

>> I'M NEITHER.

I'M ANGELA ALSOBROOKS.

AND I WILL REPRESENT MYSELF IN THE SENATE.

I HAVE BEEN REALLY FORTUNATE TO HAVE THE SUPPORT OF BOTH SENATOR VAN HOLLAND AND SENATOR CARDIN AND WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS DELEGATION WHO I HAVE WORKED WITH OVER THE YEARS.

WHEN IT COMES TO THIS ISSUE, I WILL BE ANGELA ALSOBROOKS AS A SENATOR AND LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I BELIEVE.

WE RECOGNIZE THE HORRIFIC ATTACK THAT OCCURRED IN ISRAEL ON OCTOBER 7, AND I BELIEVE IN THIS MOMENT WE HAVE ABOBLIGATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GETTING THE HOSTAGES HOME TO THEIR FAMILIES AND GET TO A CEASE FIRE AND AID INTO GAZA FOR THE PALESTINIANS SUFFERING AND WE HAVE GOT TO GET TO A TWO-STATE SOLUTION SO WE HAVE PEACE AND SECURITY IN ISRAEL, PEACE AND SECURITY IN SELF-DETERMINATION FOR THE PALESTINIANS IN GAZA.

GOING LONG-TERM, IT'S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT THAT OUR MULTILATERAL RELATIONSHIPS WITH UAE, SAUDI ARABIA, JORDAN IS GOING TO BE NECESSARY FOR US TO ISOLATE IRAN, TO HAVE THE LONG-TERM SORT OF STABILITY THAT WE NEED.

BUT I SUPPORT ISRAEL AND SUPPORT ITS RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF AND I WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT ALLIANCE.

>> Mr. HOGAN.

YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE.

>> I'M GOING TO BE A STRONG SUPPORTER OF ISRAEL AS I ALWAYS HAVE BEEN.

AND I'M GOING TO BE MORE LIKE A CHAMPION FOR ISRAEL LIKE BEN CARDIN RATHER THAN TRYING TO EQUIVOCATE OR DO BOTH SIDISMS OR TO FOLLOW CHRIS VAN HOLLAND WHO IS PROBABLY THE MOST ANTI-ISRAEL MEMBER OF THE UNITED STATES SENATE.

AND, YOU KNOW, I DISAGREE WITH MY OPPONENT WHO WAS CALLING FOR CUTTING OFF MILITARY AID TO ISRAEL AND DEMANDING AN IMMEDIATE CEASE FIRE.

THE HORRIFIC-- JUST THIS WEEK WE CELEBRATED THE TREMENDOUS LOSS OF LIFE, THE LARGEST LOSS OF JEWISH LIFE SINCE THE HOLOCAUST AND WE REMEMBER THOSE VICTIMS AND THEIR FAMILIES AND THOSE HOSTAGES THAT ARE STILL BEING HELD.

AND IN MOMENTS LIKE THIS, PEOPLE HAVE TO STAND UP AND BE COUNTED.

AND WE, AS A COUNTRY, HAVE TO STAND WITH OUR ALLIES.

AND ISRAEL IS OUR MOST IMPORTANT ALLY AND WE HAVE TO STAND UP TO OUR ENEMIES.

AND I DON'T THINK YOU CAN TRY TO WALK DOWN THE MIDDLE ON THIS ISSUE.

I THINK THERE IS NO QUESTION WE'VE GOT TO BACK ISRAEL.

>> TO FOLLOW UP, WOULD YOU HAVE ATTENDED THE SPEECH IF YOU WERE SENATOR AND DO YOU BELIEVE HE IS AN OBSTACLE TO PEACE OR AN ALLY FOR PEACE?

>> I WOULD HAVE ATTENDED THE SPEECH.

I DO SUPPORT THE U.S.-ISRAELI RELATIONSHIP.

I HAVE BEEN TO ISRAEL.

I HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR ON MY POSITION THAT I SUPPORT ISRAEL AND SUPPORT ITS RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF.

I WAS AT THE SAME ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THE FORMER GOVERNOR WAS.

SENATOR CARDIN, WHO WAS SUPPORTED SAID HE IS ASHAMED OF FORMER GOVERNOR HOGAN HOW HE POLITICIZED THIS ISSUE AND TRY TO USE IT AS A WAY TO DIVIDE US.

WITH WE SPEAK OF ALLIES, IF THE REPUBLICANS ARE IN THE SENATE, THEY HAVE STHOAN THAT THEY DO NOT RESPECT OUR ALLIANCE, INCLUDING NATO, WILL BACK OUT AND LEAVE UKRAINE TO SUPPORT ITSELF.

I SUPPORT OUR ALLIANCES AND WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT UKRAINE AND ISRAEL.

>> WE ARE GOING TO DO A COUPLE OF FOREIGN POLICY QUESTIONS HERE.

LET ME START WITH A FRESH ONE HERE FOR YOU, Mr. HOGAN.

WHEN IT COMES TO TENSIONS BETWEEN TAIWAN AND CHINA, SHOULD THE UNITED STATES GUARANTEE THE SECURITY OF TAIWAN EVEN IF IT MEANS PUTTING AMERICAN BOOTS ON THE GROUND OR ESSENTIALLY IN THE PACIFIC?

>> WELL LOOK, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR US TO STAND UP FOR OUR ALLIES AND STAND UP TO OUR ENEMIES.

I BELIEVE IN PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH.

RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT FIRES AROUND THE WORLD.

THE WHOLE WORLD IS BASICALLY A TINDER BOX AND WE ARE OR DEALING WITH UKRAINE, TAIWAN AND CHINA AND IRAN THREATENING IN THE MIDDLE EAST.

WHEN THE REASON I GOT INTO THIS RACE, THE FINAL STRAW FOR ME WAS WHEN I WATCHED REPUBLICANS AND DONALD TRUMP AND MITCH McCONNELL TANK THE BIPARTISAN DEAL THAT WAS GOING TO SECURE THE BORDER, PROVIDE FUNDING FOR TAIWAN, FOR UKRAINE AND MOST IMPORTANTLY FOR ISRAEL AND THEY WERE FOR ALL OF THOSE THINGS BUT THEN THEY WERE TOLD TO CHANGE THEIR VOTE AND I DECIDED THAT NIGHT I WAS GOING TO GO DOWN TO WASHINGTON AND TRY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

I JUST THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN TIMES LIKE THIS FOR US TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE FOCUSED.

WE HAVE ALLY AS ROUND THE WORLD WHO WONDER IF THEY CAN COUNT ON US OR TRUST US AND WE HAVE ENEMIES WONDERING IF THEY SHOULD STILL FEAR US.

>> YOU DIDN'T ANSWER DIRECTLY.

IS TAIWAN'S SECURITY SO IMPORTANT THAT IF CHAN WANTS TO TAKE IT OVER, IT'S WORTH AMERICAN TROOPS TO HELP FIGHT SIDE BY SIDE WITH TAIWAN.

>> HOPEFULLY IT WON'T GET TO THAT POINT, CHUCK.

WE HAVE OTHER MORE PRESSING THINGS RIGHT NOW BUT CHINA THREATENING TAIWAN IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT.

>> YOU ARE INTENTIONALLY BEING AMBIGUOUS.

>> I HOPE IT DOESN'T GET TO THAT POINT.

>> I DO NOT AGREE THAT WE PUT BOOTS ON THE GROUND.

WE DO NOT PUT U.S. MEN AND WIN ON THE GROUND FOR THIS CONFLICT.

THE PROBLEM THAT THE FORMER GOVERNOR IS GOING TO HAVE IS HIS PARTY DOES NOT BELIEVE IN THESE ALLIANCES.

THEY HAVE WANTED TO BACK OUT OF NATO.

WE KNOW AS WELL THAT THEY HAVE REFUSED TO REALLY GIVE UKRAINE THE HELP THAT THEY NEED.

IT WAS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT HAS LED THAT.

I BELIEVE IN OUR ALLIANCES AND I BELIEVE WITH RESPECT TO CHINA, IF WE DO NOT STAND UP TO VLADAMIR PUTIN WHO IS A DANGEROUS DICTATOR WHO INVADED UKRAINE, THAT CHINA WILL INVADE TAIWAN.

THE SMARTEST THING WE DO IS REALLY SHORE UP OUR ALLIANCES THROUGH NATO AND MULTILATERAL RELATIONSHIPS TO ACT AS A DETERRENT TO CHINA WHO IS WATCHING, AND THEY WILL SEE WHAT THE UNITED STATES DOES WITH RESPECT TO UKRAINE TO DECIDE WHETHER TO GO INTO TAIWAN.

WE KNOW AS WELL THAT VLADAMIR PUTIN IS NOT DONE.

IF WE DON'T STAND UP FOR UKRAINE, HE WILL CONTINUE TO GO ACROSS EASTERN EUROPE, POLAND WILL BE NEXT AND SO THESE RELATIONSHIPS, OUR ALLIANCES ACROSS THE COUNTRY WILL BE IMPORTANT AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY DOES NOT AGREE WITH THIS.

THEY WOULD LET UKRAINE FAIL.

>> LET ME START WITH UKRAINE.

WOULD YOU INCREASE SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE, KEEP IT AS IS OR A POINT WHERE YOU DECREASE SUPPORT?

>> I BELIEVE IN SUPPORT FOR UKRAINE.

THE AMOUNT OF IT, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH FUNDING UKRAINE WHO HAVE NOT ASKED US BY THE WAY.

THEY'RE A DEMOCRACY.

THEY HAVE NEVER COME TO THE UNITED STATES TO SAY PUT MEN AND WOMEN ON THE GROUND.

THEY JUST WANT THE TOOLS TO DEFEND THEMSELVES.

AND WE OUGHT TO CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT AS AN ALLY OF THE UNITED STATES, THAT WE SUPPORT THEM IN DEFEATING VLADAMIR PUTIN BECAUSE, AGAIN, HE IS NOT DONE YET AND HE SENDS A HORRIBLE SIGNAL ACROSS THE WORLD.

THE REPUBLICANS HAVE NOT SUPPORTED UKRAINE AND WILL LET THEM FAIL.

>> Mr. HOGAN, I KNOW YOU ARE SUPPORTIVE OF UKRAINE.

WOULD YOU GO AS FAR AS SUPPORTING UKRAINE'S MEMBERSHIP TO NATO?

>> FIRST OF ALL, HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH THE REPUBLICAN DEMOCRAT THING.

LOOK, I CRITICIZED DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS WHO WOULDN'T SUPPORT ISRAEL AND UKRAINE AND TO STAND UP FOR OUR ALLIES.

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE THAT ARE ISOLATIONISTS IN BOTH PARTIES AND NEITHER ONE OF THEM, YOU KNOW, HAS A LOCK ON WHAT WE SHOULD DO TO KEEP AMERICA SAFE AND KEEP US AS THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD.

BUT ON UKRAINE, I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST-- WE SENT AID BEFORE THE UNITED STATES DID.

WE SENT IT FROM THE STATE OF MARYLAND.

I HAVE SAID FROM THE BEGINNING, THAT WE NEEDED TO BE STRONGER IN SUPPORT OF THOSE ALLIES.

AND WE'VE GOT TO BRING AN END TO THIS CONFLICT AND WE WILL BE PUTTING BOOTS ON THE GROUND IF WE DON'T STOP PUTIN NOW BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE TO DEFEND A NATO COUNTRY.

>> QUICKLY, WOULD YOU SUPPORT UKRAINE INTO NATO OR NOT YET?

>> I WOULD SUPPORT UKRAINE GOING INTO NATO.

IT'S A COMPLICATED QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD.

I THINK IT SHOULD BE EXPLORED.

>> JEFF HAS THE NEXT QUESTION.

>> THIS GOES TO MISS ALSOBROOKS.

A NUMBER OF INFLUENTIAL DEMOCRATS TALKING ABOUT EXPANDING THE SUPREME COURT FROM NINE JUSTICES TO 13, AND THE IDEA IS IF A DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT COULD APPOINT FOUR NEW JUSTICES, THERE WOULD BE A MAJORITY OF DEMOCRATIC APPOINTEES ON THE COURT.

IS THAT SOMETHING YOU WOULD SUPPORT?

>> FIRST OF ALL I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS SUPREME COURT.

I THINK THEY NO LONGER REPRESENT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED.

I SUPPORT REFORMS FOR THE SUPREME COURT.

ONE OF THEM WOULD BE TO HAVE TERM LIMITS.

I ALSO AGREE WITH THE NOTION OF EXPANDING THE SUPREME COURT.

I THINK WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING TO REFORM THE SUPREME COURT.

AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE DECISIONS THEY HAVE MADE, EVERYTHING FROM OVERTURNING ROE, I THINK THERE ARE ETHICAL PROBLEMS WITH THIS SUPREME COURT AND AGAIN THIS IS ANOTHER PLACE WHERE ME AND Mr. HOGAN DISAGREE.

BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT, I THINK, IS AWFUL.

HE WENT OUT AND SAID HE THOUGHT THAT DONALD TRUMP DESERVED CREDIT FOR HIS APPOINTMENTS TO THE SUPREME COURT AND CALLED THE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES WHO HAVE BEEN APPOINTED INCREDIBLE.

I THINK THAT THEY ARE OUT OF LINE WITH THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND AGAIN, WHOEVER CONTROLS THE SENATE ALSO CONTROLS PEOPLE LIKE LINDSEY GRAHAM WILL CONTROL APPOINTING FURTHER SUPREME COURT JUSTICES WHEN WE ARE AT COMPLETE ODDS.

THE SUPREME COURT NEEDS TO BE REFORMED.

>> QUICK FOLLOWUP I DIDN'T HEAR A YES OR NO ON WHAT USED TO BE CALLED PACKING THE COURT.

>> I AGREE WITH EITHER INCREASING THE NUMBER OF JUSTICES OR TERM LIMITS, YES.

>> AND FOLLOWUP FOR Mr. HOGAN.

ON THE TRUMP NOMINEES TO THE COURT, IN PARTICULAR, HOW WOULD YOU HAVE VOTED?

I THINK JUSTICE KAVANAUGH GOT THROUGH WITH NO VOTES TO SPARE.

>> HE IS ADD ADDING AN ADDITIONAL THING.

>> THAT WAS THE QUESTION.

>> I THINK IF THERE IS ONE THING THAT WE SHOULD NOT BE POLITICIZING, IT'S THE SUPREME COURT.

AND YET IT HAS BEEN POLITICIZED BY BOTH SIDES AND I THINK TRYING TO CHANGE THE RULES TO JAM THINGS THROUGH ON A PARTY LINE VOTE IS NOT THE RIGHT WAY TO GO ABOUT IT.

I PROBABLY HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE ABOUT THIS THAN MOST PEOPLE IN THE SENATE.

I APPOINTED 190 JUDGES WHILE I WAS GOVERNOR, INCLUDING SIX OUT OF THE SEVEN MEMBERS OF OUR SUPREME COURT.

AND EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, THREE REPUBLICANS, THREE DEMOCRATS, THREE WOMEN, TWO AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMEN, MOST DIVERSE, MOST INCLUSIVE APPOINTMENTS IN HISTORY.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR SUPREME COURT JUSTICES WAS UNANIMOUSLY CONFIRM BID REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS.

IN WASHINGTON, THEY CAN'T EVEN GET ONE VOTE AND BOTH SIDES ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THE RULES SO THEY CAN PACK THE COURT.

THIS IS ONE AREA WHERE WE JUST HAVE TO-- WHAT I DID WAS FIND THE MOST QUALIFIED JUDGES, REGARDLESS OF WHAT PARTY THEY WERE, AND THAT'S WHY WE FOUND, IF YOU CAN'T FIND ONE PERSON TO CROSS OVER AND VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC JUDGE, I'M NOT GOING ON TO SUPPORT THEM.

>> FOLLOWING UP ON JUSTICE KAVANAUGH.

WHAT WOULD YOUR VOTE HAVE BEEN.

>> I CALLED OUT MITCH McCONNELL ON JUSTICE KAVANAUGH WHEN THEY WERE TRYING TO NOT HAVE A HEARING.

I SAID THERE SHOULD BE A FULL AND OPEN HEARING AND I CALLED THEM OUT WHEN THEY TRIED TO JAM THROUGH THE BARRETT NOMINATION.

>> HOW WOULD YOU HAVE NOTED VOTED.

>> I DON'T KNOW.

I WASN'T THERE.

>> I THINK HE SAID HOW HE WOULD VOTE.

HE THOUGHT THEY WERE INCREDIBLE.

HE THOUGHT THEY WERE GREAT SUPREME COURT JUSTICE NOMINATION NOMINEES.

HIS WORDS NOT MINE.

HE SAID "DONALD TRUMP DESERVES CREDITS FOR HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN OFFICE INCLUDING THE INCREDIBLE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES HE NOMINATED" I WOULD NOT HAVE SUPPORTED THOSE JUSTICES WHO OVERRED ROE AND ALSO OVERTURNED BUMP STOCK DECISION WHO DECIDED IMMUNITY DECISION AND CHEVRON DECISION THAT WILL HURT OUR CLIMATE.

I THINK THEY WERE AWFUL SUPREME COURT JUSTICES AND I WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED TO CONFIRM THEM?

>> TRACEE HAS THE NEXT QUESTION.

>> YOUR OPPONENT AND HER PARTY SAY YOU CAN'T BE TRUSTED ON ABORTION SINCE YOU VETOED LEGISLATION THAT WOULD HAVE TRAINED MORE ABORTION PROVIDERS.

AND YOU HAVE SAID PERSONALLY YOU ARE OPPOSED TO ABORTION BUT NOW YOU SAY YOU SUPPORT ROE.

PLEASE DETAIL WHAT ABORTION ACCESS YOU ARE PREPARED TO CHAMPION IN THE SENATE?

>> WELL, LOOK, MY OPPONENT HAS BEEN HER ENTIRE CAMPAIGN IS BASED ON LIES.

I SAID THIS EARLIER.

I HAVE BEEN AGAINST-- THE FIRST DAY I GOT IN THE RACE SHE SAID I WAS GOING TO BE THE DECIDING VOTE FOR ABORTION BAN WHICH I HAVE BEEN AGAINST SINCE 1992.

WHEN I RAN FOR GOVERNOR I PROMISED TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO ABORTION AND DO THOG TO CHANGE THE LAW.

I DELIVERED ON THAT FOR EIGHT YEARS.

EVERYONE IN MARYLAND KNOWS THAT.

FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO I SAID ROE WAS THE CORRECT DECISION.

WHEN IT WAS OVERTURNED I SAID IT WAS THE WRONG DECISION.

I SAID WHEN I GET TO THE SENATE, THE VERY FIRST VOTE THAT MY FIRST BILL IS TO CODIFY ROE SO NO, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

IT'S COMPLETELY FALSE.

AND BACK TO THE THING ABOUT THE INCREDIBLE JUSTICES.

I WAS AT A JEWISH COALITION EVENT WHERE I WAS VERY CRITICAL OF DONALD TRUMP.

I SAID THERE ARE SOME THINGS I AGREE WITH HIM ON AND THERE WAS A DECISION THAT JUST CAME OUT, JUST BEFORE THAT EVENT, THAT WAS ABOUT NOT DISCRIMINATING AGAINST JEWISH STUDENTS WHEN IT CAME TO SCHOLARSHIPS TO GO TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN INCREDIBLE DECISION.

BUT I'VE CALLED THEM OUT ON ALL THE BAD DECISIONS.

>> YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE.

>> LET ME JUST SAY I BELIEVE FORMER GOVERNOR WHEN HE SAYS HE DISAGREED WITH DONALD TRUMP THE PERSON BUT HE AGREES WITH SOME OF HIS POLICIES.

I THINK THIS ISSUE IS ONE THAT IS VERY PERSONAL TO ME.

AS A MOTHER OF A 19-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER, SHE IS FACING A WORLD WHERE SHE HAS FEWER RIGHTS THAN HER MOTHER AND GRANDMOTHER.

THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WHEN FORMER GOVERNOR HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO STAND UP FOR THE WOMEN OF MARYLAND, HE DIDN'T.

HE VOTED ABORTION CARE LEGISLATION.

DOUBLED DOWN AND REFUSED TO RELEASE THE FUNDING TO TRAIN ABORTION CARE PROVIDERS.

THIS WAS JUST TWO YEARS AGO.

AND WHEN THIS SUPREME COURT OVERTURNED ROE, HE THEN WENT OUT AND COMPLIMENTED THEM.

THE PROBLEM HE HAS IS HIS PARTY DOES NOT AGREE WITH HIM.

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS DECLARED WAR ON THE REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOMS OF WOMEN, CONTRACEPTION, IVF, MITCH McCONNELL, TED CRUZ, WE ARE THINKING ABOUT RICK SCOTT, THESE ARE ALL PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY WOULD LIKE AN ABORTION BAN AND NO MATTER WHAT IS IN HIS HEART, I BELIEVE HIM WHEN HE SAYS HE HAD A CHANGE OF HEART.

THE FAST OF THE MATTER THERE WILL BE NO VOTE ON ROE IF HE GIVES A MAJORITY TO THE REPUBLICANS IN THE SENATE.

>> SHE KEEPS MISREPRESENTING THE BILL THAT WAS PASSED.

IT WAS TO CHANGE THE LAW SO THAT INSTEAD OF JUST DOCTORS AND PHYSICIANS ASSISTANTS AND NURSES WE WOULD LET NON-LICENSED PROFESSIONALS LIKE MIDWIVES PERFORM ABORTIONS.

YOU CAN DISAGREE WITH MY POSITION BUT YOU CAN'T LIE ABOUT IT.

THE FUNDING WITH THE BILL I DID NOT AGREE WITH BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WOULD ROLL BACK THE CLOCK ON PROTECTING WOMEN AND I THOUGHT IT WAS UNSAFE AND PEOPLE IN THE MEDICAL COMMUNITY AGREED WITH ME.

>> TRACEE ALSO HAS THE NEXT QUESTION.

>> MISS ALSOBROOKS, I HAVE A SEPARATE QUESTION FOR OW ABORTION.

AS AS PRINCE GEORGES COUNTY WRITING OR IN PERSON FOR STATE LEGISLATION THAT YOU SUPPORT IN ANNAPOLIS.

FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS IN MAJORITY LEADER, THERE HAVE BEEN BILLS TO PROTEST WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE OR TO PROTECT WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS, ACCESS TO SAFE ABORTIONS AND ALSO TO PRIVACY.

SOME COUNTY EXECUTIVES HAVE TESTIFIED IN FAVOR OF THOSE BILLS.

BUT YOU HAVE NOT.

WHY?

>> I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHICH BILL YOU ARE REFERENCING.

BUT I HAVE BEEN A VERY VOCAL SUPPORTER OF A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE.

I THINK THAT'S IRREFUTED.

I HAVE SUPPORTED-- I HAVE SUPPORTED AND STILL SUPPORT A WOMAN'S ACCESS TO REPRODUCTIVE CARE.

IT'S NOT JUST ABORTION CARE.

IT'S ALSO THINGS LIKE PLANNED PARENTHOOD AND THAT'S THE REASON THEY HAVE ENDORSED ME.

I'VE RECEIVED THE ENDORSEMENT OF REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM FOR ALL BECAUSE OF MY STRONG RECORD ON THIS ISSUE.

I RECEIVED THE SUPPORT OF EMILY'S LIST AS WELL AS PLANNED PARENTHOOD WHO ARE AWARE OF MY STRONG AND UNCONTROVERTED RECORD ON THIS ISSUE AND I WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOMS, CONTRACEPTION, ABORTION AND IVF.

>> Mr. HOGAN, YOU HAVE ONE MINUTE.

>> LOOK, WE ARE NEVER GOING TO GET ANYTHING DONE IN WASHINGTON IF YOU ARE JUST GOING TO ATTACK PEOPLE WHEN THEY AGREE WITH YOU.

WE AGREE ON THIS ISSUE.

AND I FULLY FUNDED PLANNED PARENTHOOD AND ABORTION EVERY SINGLING SINGLE YEAR WHILE I WAS GOVERNOR.

LOOK, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE.

AND TO MISREPRESENT WHAT THE FACTS ARE IS REALLY-- IT'S SAD AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE.

BUT I HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR.

MY RECORD IS CLEAR.

AND YOU AND I PRETTY MUCH AGREE ONISH THIS.

AND YET YOU CONTINUE TO SAY THAT I HAVE A DIFFERENT POSITION THAN I HAVE AND MY RECORD AS GOVERNOR IS CLEAR.

>> YOU HAVE 30 SECONDS GLTD POINT IS THAT I BELIEVE THE FORMER GOVERNOR WHEN HE SAYS THAT HE HAS CHANGED AND HAS A DIFFERENT-- >> I DIDN'T SAY THAT.

>> THE POINT OF THE MATTER IS, IF THE REPUBLICANS ARE IN CONTROL OF THE SENATE, THERE WILL BE VOTE ON ROE.

WE HAVE SEEN THIS MOVIE ALL BEFORE, WHEN MITCH McCONNELL REFUSED TO BRING IT TO A VOTE.

THEY HAVE BEEN ABUNDANTLY CLEAR THAT THEY DO NOT DESIRE TO CODIFY ROE AND THAT THEY WOULD BE SEEKING NATIONAL ABORTION BAN AND IF MITCH McCONNELL OR TED CRUZ ARE THERE, IT WILL HAPPEN.

>> I BELIEVE VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS HAS COME OUT IN FAVOR OF GETTING RID OF THE GLUBSTER TO CODIFY ROE.

WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT.

>> I WOULD.

WE HAVE SEEN THE FLUB FILIBUSTER USED TO THWART CIVIL RIGHTS LEGISLATION AND VERY DESTRUCTIVE AND NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE.

THIS ISSUE IS ONE THAT IS VERY NEAR AND DEAR, NOT THE ONLY MAIFERLDERS BUT TO PEOPLE-- NOT ONLY TO MARYLANDERS BUT PEOPLE ACROSS MY COUNTRY.

MY DAUGHTER IS IN GEORGIA AND SHE HAS TO DECIDE WHERE TO LIVE BASED ON WHERE SHE WILL HAVE FREEDOMS.

I WILL BE WORKING TO CODIFY THE WOMEN'S HEALTH PROTECTION ACT.

THE FIRST PIECE OF LEGISLATION I WILL CO-SPONSOR.

>> WE ARE A VERY POLARIZED CLIMATE.

YOU REALLY THINK 60 VOTES IS WHAT WE SHOULD WAIT FOR TO CODIFY ROE.

>> THAT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA.

YOU KNOW WHO AGREES WITH MY OPPONENT IS DONALD TRUMP.

TALKING ABOUT DONALD TRUMP AND MITCH McCONNELL BUT SHE AND DONALD TRUMP AGREE THAT WE SHOULD CHANGE THE RULES HAVE LONG STANDING RULES THAT REQUIRE BIPARTISAN COOPERATION AND CHANGE THE RULES TO SCRAM THINGS THROUGH ON A PARTY LINE PARTISAN VOTE.

BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IS GOING TO BE JAMMING THINGS THROUGH.

I LIKE THE IDEA OF CONTINUING TO HAVE TO FIND PEOPLE ACROSS THE AISLE, FIND THAT BIPARTISAN COMPROMISE.

I WILL WORK WITH SUSAN COLLINS AND LIST ACE MERKOWSKI TO GET THAT... >> YOU THINK 60 VOTES SHOULD BE THE BAR TO GET ROE CODIFIED.

>> I THINK MAKING THINGS MORE PARTISAN AND ALLOWING THINGS TO BE JAMMED THROUGH BY ONE VOTE WHICH SHE HAS BEEN COMPLAINING ABOUT, NOW SHE SAYS SHE WANTS TO DO IT FOR ONE THING BUT THEN WHEN PENDULUM SWINGS BACK EVERY TWO OR FOUR YEARS, EVERYBODY IS GOING TO JAM THROUGH OTHER THINGS.

>> ANYTHING ABOUT LOWERING THE THRESHOLD THAT CONCERNS YOU FROM 60 VOTES TO 50 VOTES.

>> I TALKED TO SENATOR CARDIN ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND HE SAID UNFORTUNATELY IN HIS EXPERIENCE, WHOEVER IS IN THE MAJORITY CONTROLS THE AGENDA AND HE BELIEVES THE FILIBUSTER HAS BEEN USED IN THE WAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE A DELIBERATIVE BODY WE NEED IN THE SENATE AND AGREES AND MANY WHO HAVE BEEN THERE AGREE WE HAVE REACHED A POINT WHERE IT HAS BECOME DESTRUCTIVE AND HAVE TO REFORM AND TO ABOLISH THE FILIBUSTER TO GET BACK TO THE DLEB RATIVE BODY IT SHOULD BE WE HAVE SEEN PROGRESS HAS BEEN THWARTED.

>> DEBORAH HAS THE NEXT QUESTION.

>> I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE.

A MONTH AGO MARYLAND WITNESSED A FATAL SCHOOL SHOOTING IN HARTFORD COUNTY.

THE SAME WEEK THERE WAS A SCHOOL SHOOTING IN GEORGIA THAT KILLED TWO TEACHERS AND TWO STUDENTS.

GUN VIOLENCE IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH FOR CHILDREN IN THE UNITED STATES.

DO YOU BELIEVE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS A ROLE IN REDUCING GUN VIOLENCE ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO SCHOOLS AND THE NATION'S YOUNG PEOPLE?

>> Mr. HOGAN YOU GO AHEAD.

>> ABSOLUTELY THERE IS A ROLE.

AND I HAVE BEEN A LONG TIME SUPPORTER OF COMMONSENSE GUN LEGISLATION.

I'M FOR UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECK I HAVE ALWAYS DONE EVERYTHING POSES TO KEEP GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF MENTALLY ILL AND I SUPPORT A COMMONSENSE ASSAULT AND BATTERY BAN.

AS GOVERNOR I SIGNED A RED FLAG LAW TO KEEP GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE MENTALLY ILL.

I SIGNED THE BUMP STOCK BILL.

AND WHEN THERE WAS A SHOOTING IN GREAT MILLS, I PASSED THE ACT THAT REQUIRES SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS IN EVERY SINGLE HIGH SCHOOL IN MARYLAND TO TRY TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE AND COMMITTED TO SPONSORING THAT EXACT SAME BILL AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

UNFORTUNATELY MY OPPONENT PULLED THE SCHOOL SAFETY OUT OF THE SCHOOLS AND THE BILL IS NO LONGER REQUIRING IT.

>> GOVERNOR, WHAT IS A COMMONSENSE ASSAULT AND BATTERY BAN.

>> I WOULD-- ASSAULT WEAPON BAN.

WE NEED AN AGREEMENT ON GETTING THE BILL PASSED.

>> FIRST OF ALL LET ME CORRECT SOMETHING MISINFORMATION HE JUST GAVE.

I HAVE NOT PULLED ANY SCHOOL RESOURCE OFFICERS OUT OF THE SCHOOLS.

IN FACT, THE WASHINGTON POST JUST COMPLIMENTED ME IN THEIR ENDORSEMENT OF ME SAYING I FOUGHT AGAINST THE EFFORT TO REMOVE THE SROs ALSO THE CASE THE FORMER GOVERNOR KIM PLEMENTED ME TWO YEARS AGO COMPLIMENTED ME TWO YEARS AGO ON THIS ISSUE SAYING I WAS A LEADER ACROSS THE STATE.

THE FACT THAT THE NUMBER ONE KILLER OF OUR CHILDREN IS GUN VIOLENCE AND THAT WE AS A COUNTRY HAVE DONE NOTHING ABOUT IT IS SHAMEFUL AND THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY, I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF ELIMINATING ASSAULT WEAPONS, ALSO REMOVING GHOST GUNS FROM OUR STREETS AND THE REALITY IS UNFORTUNATELY THE FORMER GOVERNOR DID NOT HAVE THE COURAGE AS GOVERNOR.

HE, IN FACT, VETOED LEGISLATION THAT WOULD HAVE CREATED A WAITING PERIOD FOR LONG GUNS AND OUTRIGHT REFUSED TO SIGN THE BAN ON GHOST GUNS.

SHE COULD HAVE HELPED ON THIS ISSUE BUT INSTEAD, KOWTOWED TO THE GUN LOBBY AND VETOED A BAN THAT WOULD HAVE CREATED THE WAITING PERIOD FOR LONG GUNS.

>> THIS IS ALL KIND OF HALF TRUTHS AND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO CONFUSE PEOPLE.

ON GHOST BUNS, IT DID BECOME LAW WHILE I WAS GOVERNOR AND I DIDN'T HAVE A BILL SIGNING CEREMONY WITH THE LEGISLATURE BECAUSE I HAD LEGISLATION THAT WAS TRYING TO ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE PEOPLE SHOOTING PEOPLE WITH GUNS.

IT WAS TOUGHER MANDATORY SENTENCES FOR REPEAT VIOLENT OFFENDERS AND PEOPLE WHO COMMIT FELONY WITH A GUN.

WE HAVE THE TOUGHEST GUN LEGISLATION IN AMERICA AND YET IT'S NOT STOPPING 100% INCREASE IN MURDERS IN PLACES LIKE PRINCE GEORGES COUNTY.

WE HAVE TO TAKE THE SHOOTERS OFF THE STREET.

THE LONG GUN BILL WAS A HUNTING RIFLE WITH NO ONE IN BALTIMORE CITY, THEY WEREN'T SHOOTING PEOPLE WITH HUNTING RIFLES.

IT WAS ILLEGAL HANDGUNS AND GHOST GUNS WHICH I WAS VERY SUPPORTIVE OF.

>> QUICK FOLLOW UP.

GEORGE FLOYD JUSTICE IN POLICING ACT WOULD RESTRICT CHOKE HOLDS AND NO KNOCK WARRANTS.

IF ELECTED Mr. HOGAN, WOULD YOU HELP PASS THE GEORGE FLOYD POLICING ACT?

>> I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE ACT SAYS.

ONE THING I'M VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, AND I PROBABLY SPOKE OUT ABOUT THIS MORE THAN ANYONE IN AMERICA.

WHEN THE DEFUND THE POLICE MOVEMENT STARTED, I WAS THE LOUDEST CRITIC AGAINST IT.

IT WAS SAYING YOU ARE GOING TO IMPROVE PUBLIC SAFETY BY DEFUNDING THE POLICE WAS LIKE SAYING YOU ARE GOING TO IMPROVE EDUCATION BY DEFUNDING IS SCHOOLS.

ABSURD AND RIDICULOUS.

I PASSED THE FIRST BILL IN AMERICA, A REFUND THE POLICE INITIATIVE WITH A 50% INCREASE IN STATE AID TO LOCAL POLICE TO HIRE MORE OFFICERS TO TRAIN BETTER, TO TEACH DEESCALATION TECHNIQUES.

MY OPPONENT HAS CUT THE PRINCE GEORGES COUNTY POLICE.

THEY'RE DOWN 300 OFFICERS AND DOING 12 HOUR SHIFTS AND CRIME IS OUT OF CONTROL.

500% INCREASE IN CAR JACKINGS.

>> ALSO ON THE GEORGE FLOYD POLICING ACT WOULD YOU SUPPORT IT.

>> I WOULD.

LET ME CORRECT SOMETHING HE SAID.

THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS I NOT ONLY SUPPORTED LAW ENFORCEMENT, I WAS LAW ENFORCEMENT.

THE CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IN PRINCE GEORGES COUNTY OVERAWE 50% LOWERING OF CRIME WHEN I WAS THE CHIEF I INCREASED POLICE FUNDING BY 23% AND WHEN LEE TALKED ABOUT-- WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT THE GHOST GUNS, HE SAID IT DID PASS BUT LIKE SO MUCH OF HIS RECORD, BECAUSE WE HAD SUCH A STRONG DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATURE, THANK GOD FOR THEM, THEY HAD TO BLOCK SO MUCH OF WHAT HE WANTED TO VETO AND AGAIN HE IS TO THE GOING TO ANNAPOLIS.

HE IS GOING TO WASHINGTON AND WILL NOT HAVE THE SAME SUPPORTS WE HAD.

WE COULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN ANYTHING DONE WITHOUT THE DEMOCRATIC LEGISLATURE.

>> TO THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION AND I'LL START WITH YOU.

SHOULD PRINCE GEORGES COUNTY REMAIN A SANCTUARY CITY.

>> IT IS NO THE A SAINGTSRARY CITY.

>> HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE IT?

>> AS COUNTY EXECUTIVE, I CREATED A POLICY THAT SAID THAT VIOLENT OFFENDERS, WE COOPERATIVED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO MAKE SURE WE NOTIFY THEM WHEN WE RELEASE VIOLENT OFFENDERS.

I AM ALSO PERSON WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THIS ISSUE, WHO STOOD IN COURTROOMS AND PROSECUTED GANG MEMBERS WHO WERE IN MS-13.

I HAVE BEEN VERY CONSISTENT WHERE THIS ISSUE HAS BEEN CONCERNED.

I HAVE COOPERATIVED WITH THE-- I COOPERATED WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

>> IS THIS SOMETHING THE COUNCIL ENFORCEMENT COOPERATIVING ONLAW- COOPERATING ON EVERYTHING?

>> I CHANGED THE POLICY TO ENSURE WHEN WE RELEASED PEOPLE WHO WERE ACCUSED OF GANG ACTIVITY OR VIOLENCE, THAT WE NOTIFIED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

>> HAVE YOU ONE MINUTE.

>> FIRST OF ALL WITH RESPECT TO THE CRIME IN GENERAL, I HAVE THE ENDORSEMENT UNANIMOUS ENDORSEMENT OF THE MARYLAND FOP AND NEARLY EVERY SINGLE LAW ENFORCEMENT ORGANIZATION IN THE STATE BECAUSE THEY DON'T THINK YOU DID SUCH A GREAT JOB ON CRIME AND PRINCE GEORGES COUNTY POLICE OFFICERS ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW THINGS HAVE GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL.

LOOK, ON ICE DETAINERS, IT'S NOT TRUE.

YOU ARE THE LARGEST JURISDICTION IN MARYLAND THAT REFUSES TO WORK WITH FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AND OU WILL NOT NOTIFY THEM.

WHEN ICE REQUESTED INFORMATION, YOU DID NOT COOPERATE.

AND YOUR POLICY IS BREAKING FEDERAL LAW.

>> ACTUALLY AGAIN, IT'S NOT TRUE.

WHAT HE SAID ABOUT NOT COOPERATING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT'S JUST A LIE.

IT IS.

I CHANGED THE POLICY.

AND FURTHERMORE, I AM THE ONLY PERSON ON THIS STAGE WHO STOOD FLAT FOOTED IN A COURTROOM AND I PROSECUTED AND CONVICTED MURDERERS, RAPISTS AND GANG MEMBERS.

AND I DID SO WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I DID SO WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.

IN FACT I WAS LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND TOGETHER THE PARTNERSHIP THAT WE CREATED HELPED US TO BE EFFECTIVE.

THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB IN PRINCE GEORGES COUNTY WHERE WE ARE SEEING LOWER CRIME IN EVERY CATEGORY EXCEPT ONE WHERE WE ARE UP 1 POINT.

>> ONE MINUTE TO ANSWER THIS SIMPLE QUESTION.

WOULD YOU VOTE TO LEGALIZE MARIJUANA ON A FEDERAL LEVEL.

Mr. HOGAN YOU CAN GO FIRST.

>> I WAS HESITANT-- I WAS FOR MEDICAL MARIJUANA.

I NEVER REALLY CONSIDERED LEGALIZING RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA ON A NATIONAL BASIS.

I THINK MANY STATES HAVE ALREADY DONE IT, INCLUDING MARYLAND BUT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE FULL IMPACT OF THAT YET AND I THINK SOME OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAD A LOT OF DEATHS FOR DRUNK DRIVING AND WE NEED ADVANCEMENT BEFORE WE TAKE A STEP LIKE THAT.

>> NOT READY TO LEGALIZE ON A FEDERAL LEVEL.

>> THE PEOPLE OF MARYLAND HAVE SPOKEN ON THIS ISSUE.

THEY LEGALIZED IT HERE AND I WOULD DO SO TO ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL.

>> YOU HAD HESITATION AT FIRST.

>> THE HESITATION I HAD IS THAT IT'S AN AWFUL IDEA TO HAVE CHILDREN-- I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CLEAR ON THIS ISSUE, I'M DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACTS OF MARIJUANA ON CHILDREN.

AND SO I'VE ALWAYS SAID WHATEVER ADULTS DO, RECREATIONALLY OR OTHERWISE, IS FOR AN ADULT TO MAKE THE DECISION BUT WE OUGHT TO BE PROTECTIVE OF OUR CHILDREN IN THE SAME WAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN WITH ALCOHOL AND OTHER THINGS.

WE HAVE WATCHED OUR CHILDREN SUFFER AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE REALLY CAUTIOUS AND BE CONCERNED ABOUT OUR CHILDRN HAVING ACCESS TO MARIJUANA AND OTHER SUBSTANCES.

>> ALL RIGHT.

THIS NEXT QUESTION ONE MINUTE FOR BOTH OF YOU.

SHOULD THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WORKERS BE ALLOWED TO WORK FROM HOME ONE OR TWO DAYS A WEEK OR IS IT TIME THAT THEY RETURN TO THE OFFICE FIVE DAYS A WEEK?

>> I SUPPORT HAVING OUR FEDERAL WORKERS WORK FROM HOME ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK.

BY THE WAY, I'M A GRANDDAUGHTER OF A FEDERAL WORKER WHO WORKED VERY HARD TO GET HERSELF INTO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

SHE WAS A HOUSEKEEPER.

TAUGHT HERSELF TO TYPE ON HER REFRIGERATOR TO GET THE FEDERAL JOB.

OUR FEDERAL WORKERS DO A TREMENDOUS JOB.

I WILL BE SUPPORTIVE OF THEM, THEIR WAGES AND BENEFITS WOO.

KNOW IF THE REPUBLICANS GAIN CONTROL, THEY HAVE PUT FORWARD PROJECT 2025, WHICH ANTICIPATES THAT THEY WOULD EVISCERATE THE FEDERAL WORKFORCE WOULD POLITICIZE IT, HARM OUR FEDERAL WORKERS INCLUDING THE 7% OF ALL 130,000 FEDERAL WORKERS RIFF IN THE STATE OF MARYLAND.

I WILL STAND UP FOR OUR FEDERAL WORKERS AND I HAVE THE ENDORSEMENT OF AFGE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES UNION AND I WILL CONTINUE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DEFENDING AND PROTECTING THEIR RIGHTS.

>> Mr. HOGAN, SAME REQUESTY.

>> WITH RESPECT TO PROJECT 2025, I'M THE LEADING VOICE IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY AGAINST THAT.

WROTE AN OPINION IN THE WASHINGTON POST AND I THINK WAS NOT SINGLE HANDEDLY BUT CERTAINLY A BIG PART OF THE REASON WHY THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BACKED DOWN ON THAT AND I CALLED OUT OUGHT OF THE CRAZY THINGS THEY WERE TRYING TO DO.

THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF HAVING SOMEONE IN THE PARTY BEING WILLING TO STAND UP TO THEIR LEADERS.

I'M NOT SURE WHEN YOU HAVE EVER STOOD UP TO PARTY LEADERS, BUT I'VE DONE IT WHEN IT WAS HARD AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND I WILL CONTINUE TO.

BUT I AGREE, WE HAVE THE LARGEST CONCENTRATION OF FEDERAL EMPLOYEES AND FOR THEM TO TRY TO POLITICIZE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, WAS JUST ABSURD AND RIDICULOUS, WHICH IS WHY I WAS SO STRONG IN VOICING MY OPPOSITION.

WITH RESPECT TO GETTING WORKERS BACK TO WORK, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE REMOTELY BUT IT HAS BEEN A DISASTER FOR THE WASHINGTON METROPOLITAN AREA WITH EMPTY BUILDINGS EVERYWHERE, RESTAURANTS CLOSING BECAUSE VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE GETTING BACK TO WORK.

WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR, I REQUIRED PEOPLE TO GET BACK TO WORK BECAUSE YOU CAN'T DO PUBLIC SERVICE AND INTERACTING WITH FOLKS IN A LOT OF JOBS IF YOU ARE NOT THERE.

OTHER THINGS YOU CAN DO FROM HOME.

>> SHOULD WASHINGTON D.C.

DOWNTOWN ECONOMY BE A FACTOR IN DECIDING WHETHER FEDERAL WORKERS SHOULD COME IN FIVE DAYS A WEEK?

>> AGAIN, I SUPPORT FEDERAL WORKERS.

I SUPPORT THEM STAYING, BEING ABLE TO STAY HOME.

LET ME SAY THIS.

IT IS INTERESTING TO ME TO HEAR THE FORMER GOVERNOR CONSISTENCY SAY HE CRITICIZES THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THE SAME ONE HE HAD THE OPTION TO RUN AS SOMETHING ELSE AND HE GLADLY PUT ON THEIR JERSEY.

WHEN McCONNELL CALLED THEM, HE PUT ON THE JERSEY RAN INTO THE GAME, SAYS HE DISAGREES WITH VARIOUS ASPECTS OF IT BUT THE REALITY IS THAT HIS MERE ELECTION WOULD EMPOWER THE PEOPLE WHOSE POLICIES HE SAYS HE DISAGREES WITH AND NOTHING HE CAN DO ABOUT THEM CALLING VOTES AND DOING OTHER THINGS, BLOCKING PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS IF THEY HAVE THE MAJORITY.

>> NEXT QUESTION I'LL START WITH YOU, Mr. HOGAN.

ON THE ISSUE OF TRANSPORTATION, AS GOVERNOR, YOU BLOCKED SOME TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS IN BALTIMORE, THE BALTIMORE'S RED LINE, THE PURPLE LINE AND D.C. METRO AREA.

HOW WOULD YOU HANDLE FEDERAL FUNDING OF MARYLAND'S TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS AS SENATOR?

WOULD YOU BE A CHAMPION OF GETTING MORE FEDERAL FUNDING FOR SAY A PURPLE LINE... >> I'M VERY PROUD OF MY RECORD ON INFRASTRUCTURE.

WHEN I RAN FOR GOVERNOR, WE HAD CRUMBLING ROADS AND BRIDGES AND NO MONEY HAD BEEN INVESTED.

ONE OF THE REASONS I GOT ELECTED.

I PROMISED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT AND MOVED FORWARD ON NEARLY EVERY SINGLE TRANSPORTATION PROJECT ACROSS THE STATE, RESURFACED ALMOST 90% OF THE ENTIRE STATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM.

NO GOVERNOR HAS INVESTED MORE IN TRANSIT AND ROADS THAN I DID AS GOVERNOR.

WHEN I WAS CHAIRMAN OF THE NATIONAL GOVERNORS ASSOCIATION I LED A CHAIR'S INITIATIVE ON REBUILDING AMERICA'S INFRASTRUCTURE.

I GOT ALL 50 GOVERNORS TO AGREE TO IT.

AND THEN ALL OF IT BECAME PART OF THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL WHICH I STRONGLY SUPPORTED I HOSTED A SUMMIT IN ANNAPOLIS WHERE I BROUGHT EVERYBODY TOGETHER TO GET IT DONE AND WHEN IT WAS STALLED, I PUSHED REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS TO GET THE BIPARTISAN INFRASTRUCTURE BILL DONE REPUBLICANS ONLY WANTED TO DO ROADS AND BRIDGES, DEMOCRATS WANTED TO ADD $4 TRILLION OF SOCIAL SPENDING AND WE REACHED AN AGREEMENT AND GOT THE DEAL DONE WHICH WAS GOOD FOR AMERICA.

>> THE FORMER GOVERNOR DID SOMETHING SO SHAMEFUL.

WE KNOW THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE ACROSS OUR STATE IS ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY.

AND HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO INVEST IN A RED LINE THAT WOULD HAVE CREATED NOT ONLY ATTRACTED JOBS AND OPPORTUNITIES TO BALTIMORE, BUT WOULD HAVE ALLOWED PEOPLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THE OPPORTUNITIES AND HE DID SOMETHING THAT NO GOVERNOR IN HISTORY HAS EVER DONE IN MARYLAND.

RETURNED $900 MILLION TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO ASK THEM TO REDISTRIBUTE IT ESSENTIALLY TO OTHER STATES.

THIS NOT ONLY CRUSHED THAT OPPORTUNITY.

BUT IT WAS UNPRECEDENTED.

AND FURTHERMORE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE KNOW IS THAT HE WOULD NOT INVEST, NOT ONLY-- I THINK WE NEED SOMEONE WHO CAN SEE THE WHOLE STATE.

I WORKED CONVERSELY TO DRAW THE FBI HEADQUARTERS TO MARYLAND, BRINGING THE 7500 JOBS HERE, CYBERSECURITY AND TECHNOLOGY I DREW $100 MILLION NEAR THE METRO STATION AND WORKED WITH THE FORMER GOVERNOR FOR THE FIRST TIME TO ATTRACT $400 MILLION TO THE BLUE LINE CORRIDOR CREATING JOBS AND OPPORTUNITIES.

THAT'S WHAT WOULD I DO AS SENATOR.

NOT SEND MONEY BACK TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

I WILL BE FIGHTING FOR EVERY PART OF OUR STATE TO ATTRACT EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR WE CAN TO THE STATE OF MARYLAND.

>> I RAN FOR GOVERNOR PROMISING NOT TO DO THE RED LINE AND PROMISING TO BUILD EVERY OTHER PROJECT ACROSS THE STATE.

THE WASHINGTON POST EDITORIAL BOARD SAID IT NEVER MADE TRANSPORTATION OR ECONOMIC SENSE.

MOST PEOPLE IN BALTIMORE DIDN'T SUPPORT IT AND NO ONE ACROSS THE STATE DID.

IT WAS A $7 BILLION PROJECT THAT WAS NOT GOING TO ACCOMPLISH MUCH OF ANYTHING AND WE HAD $900 MILLION.

NOBODY IN OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT BUT WAS WE THEY'D TO MOVE FORWARD ON NOW IS FIXING THE KEY BRIDGE AND HOWARD STREET TUNNEL.

FIXING THE TRAFFIC RELIEF PLAN THAT WAS JUST KILLED BECAUSE THE TRANSPORTATION TRUST FUND HAS BEEN DRAINED AND THERE IS NO MONEY TO BUILD ANY PROJECTS.

>> WE HAVE TECHNICALLY COME TO THE END OF OUR QUESTIONS.

ONE FINAL ONE FOR YOU, Mr. HOGAN.

I KNOW YOU SAID YOU WROTE IN RONALD REAGAN'S NAME THAT YOU ALREADY VOTED.

IF YOU LIVED IN A STATE UP FOR GRABS.

YOU SAID YOUR VOTE DOESN'T MATTER IN YOUR STATE.

IS THAT HOW YOU STILL WOULD HAVE VOTED?

>> LOOK, I HAVE NEVER VOTED FOR SOMEONE I DIDN'T BELIEVE IN AND I WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE NO LABELS WITH JOE LIEBERMAN AND WE ARE ALL ABOUT TRYING TO FIND-- I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN AMERICA THAT DON'T FEEL THAT THESE TWO FOLKS THAT ARE AT THE TOP OF BOTH TICKETS ARE THE BEST PEOPLE TO LEAD AMERICA.

AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO WRITE IN AND TAKE WHATEVER DECISION.

I'M NOT GOING TO MAKE THAT DECISION FOR OTHER PEOPLE.

I DON'T PLAN ON MOVING OUT OF MARYLAND SO I'M NOT GOING TO SPECULATE WHAT I WOULD DO IF I WERE SOMEWHERE GLELS I THINK THE DECISION NOT TO VOTE IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION FOR A SENATE IS A DISQUALIFIER.

A PERSON, THIS JOB REQUIRES VOTES, TOUGH VOTES THAT VOW TO MAKE A DECISION AND FOR A PERSON WHO SAYS HE COULD SEE A BIPARTISAN WAY FORWARD, BUT WAS UNABLE TO DO THE MOST BIPARTISAN THING EVER, IN AN ELECTION WHERE HE SAYS HE DESPISES THEIR NOMINEE, BUT CANNOT BRING HIMSELF TO EVEN VOTE FOR VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS AND IN FACT WILL HAVE FORFEITED THE CHANCE TO VOTE IN THREE DIFFERENT ELECTIONS RATHER THAN STAND UP, DO THE RIGHT THING, CHOOSE A TOUGH VOTE AND VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT, HE VOTED FOR A DECEASED INDIVIDUAL AND SAID HE WOULD DO SO AGAIN IN THIS ELECTION AND I THINK IT IS INSTRUCTIVE OF THE WAY HE WOULD OPERATE AS A SENATOR, UNABLE TO MAKE TOUGH CALLS AND TO DO WHAT IS-- WHAT HE DECLARES IS BIPARTISAN.

THIS IS THE MOST BIPARTISAN THING YOU CAN DO.

>> HERE IS THE TOUGHEST CALL I'M GOING TO MAKE YOU BOTH MAKE.

RAVENS OR COMMANDERS.

>> COMMANDERS.

>> RAVENS.

>> WE GUESSED RIGHT.

AND NOW FOR CLOSING STATEMENTS.

>> I WANTED TO THANK YOU SO MUCH TO THE HOSTS FOR HAVING US TONIGHT THANK YOU FOR FORMER GOVERNOR HOGAN FOR BEING HERE AND EVERYONE FOR WATCHING.

IT HAS BEEN A GREAT JOY FOR ME TO HAVE REPPED OUR STATE FOR THE LAST 27 YEARS.

I HAVE DONE SO PROUDLY TO FIGHT FOR OUR FAMILIES ON EVERY FRONT.

FIGHTING TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE, TO GROW ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, FIGHTING TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE CARING FOR EVERY PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, PROVIDING HEALTHCARE HEALTHCARE ACCESS.

I HAVE BUILT MENTAL HEALTH FATS, BUILT A CANCER CENTER, BROKEN GROUND ON 18 SCHOOLS AND BUILT 10.

I'LL CONTINUE AS A SENATOR STANDING UP FOR OUR VALUES, FIGHTING EVERY SINGLE DAY TO PRESERVE NOT ONLY OUR FREEDOMS BUT ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERY MEMBER OF OUR FAMILY IN MARYLAND.

I WILL DO THAT MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD AND I WILL SUPPORT PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS MAKING SURE SHE HAS THE MAJORITY THAT SHE NEEDS IN THE SENATE SO THAT SHE CAN GET HER AGENDA ACROSS AND THAT SHE CAN TAKE OUR COUNTRY FORWARD, THAT WE CAN, TOGETHER, THE VALUES THAT WE SHARE, HONOR THEM, HUMAN RIGHTS, DEMOCRACY, FREEDOM, INTEGRITY, DECENCY, THESE ARE WHAT WE BELIEVE IN IS WHAT I WILL FIGHT FORKER DAY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU AND Mr. HOGAN YOUR CLOSING STATEMENT.

>> THANK YOU AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR WATCHING TONIGHT LOOK, AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, WE ARE GOING TO HEAR A LOT ABOUT DEMOCRAT VERSUS REPUBLICAN.

RED VERSUS BLUE.

ALL I REALLY CARE ABOUT IS THE RED, WHITE AND BLUE AND I THINK THAT SENDING MORE PARTISAN POLITICIANS, MAKING WASHINGTON MORE PARTISAN AND MORE DIVIDED IS NOT GOING TO HELP.

THE COUNTRY IS WAY OFF TRACK.

I'M COMPLETELY FED UP WITH POLITICS AS USUAL.

AND IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THINGS IN WASHINGTON, YOU ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT BY DOING THE EXACT SAME THING YOU ALWAYS DO.

I HAVE A PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF STANDING UP AND BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER, HAVING THE COURAGE TO STAND UP TO THE FORMER PRESIDENT, TO THE CURRENT PRESDENT, AND I'LL DO IT TO THE FUTURE PRESIDENT AND TO THE REPUBLICANS OR DEMOCRATS.

I'M TRYING TO PUT PEOPLE OVER POLITICS AND COUNTRY OVER PARTY AND I'M ASKING THE VOTERS OF MARYLAND TO BE WILLING TO DO THE SAME THING.

AND I'M ASKING FOR THEIR VOTE.

>> TO YOU BOTH VERY MUCH.

THAT CONCLUDES TONIGHT'S DEBATE.

WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE TWO CANDIDATES FOR PARTICIPATING ALSO WOULD LIKE TO THANK MARYLAND PUBLIC TELEVISION AND THIS TERRIFIC STUDIO FOR HOSTING US HERE AND THANKS TO OUR PANELIST TRACEE WILKINS, DEBORAH WEAN WEINER AND JEFF SALKIN AND I'M CHUCK TODD.

GOOD NIGHT.