>> THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS RESUMING DEPORTATION.

FLIGHTS FOR VENEZUELAN MIGRANTS.

THIS COMES AS MORE THAN 7 BILLION 1 MILLION VENEZUELANS HAVE FLED THEIR COUNTRY IN RECENT YEARS DUE TO POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC TURMOIL.

LOCAL SPECIALIST SAYS HE BELIEVES THE U.S. HAS HAD A KEY ROLE IN THAT CRISIS, WHICH HAS RESULTED IN OVER 17,000 NEW ARRIVALS AT CHICAGO'S DOORSTEP.

JOINING US NOW WITH VENICE.

WELL, AS CRISIS IS JUAN GONZALEZ, A SENIOR FELLOW AT THE GREAT CITIES INSTITUTE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF ILLINOIS, CHICAGO.

THANK YOU FOR JOINING US MY PLEASURE TO BE HERE.

NOW, THE FIRST QUESTION, THE TOP STORY, BIDEN IS RESUMING DEPORTATION FLIGHTS FOR VENEZUELAN MIGRANTS.

SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T SEEN THIS YEAR.

WHAT'S THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS?

>> WELL, I THINK THE NEW PRESIDENT IS TRYING TO FIND ANY WAY TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE THE CRISIS.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE UNITED STATES AND VENEZUELA HAVE HAD VERY POOR RELATIONS NOW FOR YEARS.

AND THE DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS HAVE BEEN FRAYED.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT TO SEND PEOPLE BACK TO A COUNTRY WHERE YOU HAVEN'T GOT THE PERMISSION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THAT COUNTRY TO BRING PEOPLE BACK.

SO WE'LL SEE WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THOSE FLIGHTS.

>> YOU SAID THE U.S. HAS PLAYED A ROLE IN THAT AS WELL AS ECONOMIC CRISIS LEAVING MILLIONS TO FLEE.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT YOU MEAN BY THAT AND HOW DEEP DOES THIS GO?

>> I SEE PEOPLE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND A FEW YEARS AGO WE WERE TALKING LAST LARGELY ABOUT A MIGRANT CRISIS OF HONDURANS, GUATEMALANS AND SALVADORANS.

BEFORE THAT LARGELY OF MEXICANS.

WHAT HAS BEEN THE DIFFERENCE IN THE SURGE RIGHT NOW, THE THE THE GOVERNMENT'S OWN RECORDS SHOW THAT THIS YEAR, 400,000 PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY APPLIED FOR ASYLUM AND THEY COME UP.

HALF OF THEM COME FROM JUST 3 COUNTRIES.

VENEZUELA IS NUMBER ONE.

CUBA IS NUMBER 2 IN NICARAGUA IS NUMBER 4.

WHAT DO THESE COME FROM COUNTRIES HAVE IN COMMON?

THEY'VE ALL BEEN TARGETED BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT FOR SANCTIONS NOW FOR YEARS AND THE OUR OWN GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN DRIVING DOWN THE ECONOMY OF THESE COUNTRIES.

AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PEOPLE CAN'T FIND JOBS AND WHEN THEY CAN'T EAT, THEY TRY TO GO WITH SOMEWHERE ELSE WHERE THEY CAN SURVIVE AND PEOPLE DON'T RISK GOING THOUSANDS OF MILES WITH THEIR CHILDREN, RISKING THEIR LIVES.

IF THERE'S NOT A GOOD REASON FOR IT.

SO I THINK WE'VE GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT OUR POLICIES ARE FUELING THE MIGRATION CRISIS, ESPECIALLY IN REGARD TO THESE 3 COUNTRIES, VENEZUELA, CUBA AND NICARAGUA.

LET'S MENTION A VERY DANGEROUS JUNGLE THAT THEY HAVE TO CROSS.

>> AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO SANCTIONS.

HOW THE SANCTIONS WORK FOR THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW AND HOW HAS THAT IMPACT VENEZUELANS DAY-TO-DAY LIFE WHO HAVE BEEN SENT.

VENEZUELA HAS THE LARGEST OIL RESERVES IN THE WORLD.

>> IT WAS FOR MANY YEARS, THE COUNTRY WITH THE HIGHEST STANDARD OF LIVING IN A IN SOUTH AMERICA.

THE DECLINE OF OF THE OF FAIRNESS WHEN THIS ECONOMY IS NOT JUST A RESULT OF MISMANAGEMENT BY THE GOVERNMENT.

BUT AGAIN, THE EU, U.S. POLICIES BACK IN 2015, PRESIDENT OBAMA ISSUED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER CLAIMING THAT THE THAT THE SITUATION IN VENEZUELA WITH AN QUOTING AN EXTRAORDINARY THREAT TO THE NATIONAL SECURITY AND FOREIGN POLICY OF THE UNITED STATES.

HOW EXACTLY A COUNTRY HUNDREDS OF MILES AWAY IN SOUTH AMERICA WITH A VERY SMALL ARMY IS A THREAT TO UNITED STATES IS BEYOND ME.

BUT AT THAT POINT, OBAMA BEGAN TO INSTITUTE SANCTIONS, MAKING IT VERY DIFFICULT FOR U.S. COMPANIES TO WORK EVEN ON VENEZUELA FOR FOREIGN BANKS TO LEND MONEY TO VENEZUELA.

THEN DONALD TRUMP COMES IN MAKES THINGS EVEN WORSE.

HE HE SEES THE ASSETS, FROZE THE ASSETS OF CITGO PETROLEUM.

EVERYONE WILL SEE IT GO.

WE SEE GAS STATIONS.

CITGO PRODUCES 24 BILLION DOLLARS IN REVENUE.

IT'S A VENEZUELAN OWN COMPANY.

IT'S NOT 3 BILLION DOLLARS IN PROFITS.

NONE OF THAT MONEY CAN GO TO VENEZUELA BECAUSE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT HAS FROZEN.

THEY FROZE THE GOLD RESERVES OF OF OF VENEZUELA TOGETHER WITH THE UNITED KINGDOM.

THEY BASICALLY MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR VENEZUELA TO DO BUSINESS.

AND ONE REPORT SAYS THAT THAT 17 TO 31 BILLION DOLLARS IN REVENUES HAVE BEEN LOST BY VENEZUELA IN JUST THE 3 YEARS THAT THE SANCTIONS WERE IN EFFECT AS A RESULT OF U.S. POLICY.

SO IT IS NO SURPRISE THE THOUSANDS OF VENEZUELANS ARE FLEEING.

>> UNITED SAYING, OH, IT'S IT'S NOT BOTH PRESIDENT.

THE PRESIDENT OF MEXICO LOPEZ OBRADOR AND THE PRESIDENT OF COLOMBIA, GUSTAVO, PETRO, BOTH SAID THE BASIS FOR THIS SURGE IS A RESULT OF THE ECONOMIC SANCTIONS THAT THE UNITED STATES IS CREATE ON CUBA AND VENEZUELA BECAUSE UNDERSTAND.

>> I WAS FOCUSING ON VENEZUELANS.

MORE CUBANS HAVE COME TO THE UNITED STATES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND KATE AND NEVER BEFORE IN HISTORY AND CAME TO IN THE MARIEL BOATLIFT OF 1980, AND CAME DURING THE BOUT SANDALS OF 1994.

THIS IS THE BIGGEST MIGRATION OF CUBANS.

THE ONLY REASON YOU'RE NOT SEEING IT ACROSS UNITED STATES IS BECAUSE MOST OF THE CUBANS ARE GOING TO FLORIDA.

THEY'RE NOT GOING ALL OVER THE ALL OVER TO OTHER PARTS OF THE UNITED STATES.

NOW WANT TO BRING A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

WE KNOW UKRAINIANS ARE ALSO FLEEING TO CHICAGO RIGHT NOW DUE TO THE RUSSIAN THE RUSSIA-UKRAINE WAR.

HOW IS THE GOVERNMENT HANDLING CARE FOR THEM VERSUS LATIN AMERICAN MIGRANTS?

MOST A VERY DISTINCT DIFFERENCE.

>> YOU KNOW, IN THAT WE'VE HAD UP 31,000 APPLICATIONS FOR UKRAINIANS TO COME TO CHICAGO TO THE CHICAGO AREA MORE THAN 21,000 OF ALREADY COMMON.

THE REST ON THE WAY WE'RE NOT HEARING ANYTHING ABOUT UKRAINIANS BEING STEEPING IN POLICE STATIONS OR I'M OUT IN THE STREETS OR HAVING TO BEG UP BECAUSE ALL THEIR PURVIEW PROVIDED ALL KINDS OF ASSISTANCE BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

>> MEDICAID ASSISTANCE, A RELOCATION ASSISTANCE, IMMEDIATE WORK PERMITS.

I THINK THE BIG PROBLEM WOULD BE RESOLVED CONGRESSMAN CHUY GARCIA AND ALL THE LATINO ELECTED OFFICIALS SAID IN A LETTER TO PRESIDENT BIDEN OF A GHOST ELECTED OFFICIALS FROM CHICAGO SENT TO PRESIDENT BIDEN YESTERDAY.

GIVE WORK PERMITS NOT ONLY TO THOSE VENEZUELANS AND CUBANS, BUT TO MANY OF THE OTHER UNDOCUMENTED THAT HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, BECAUSE HERE'S A LITTLE SECRET THAT JULIE GARCIA PUT IN THIS LETTER THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW.

THERE ARE 10 MILLION UNFILLED JOBS IN THE UNITED STATES RIGHT NOW.

THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH WORKERS FOR THE EMPLOYEES OF THE COUNTRY.

AND YET HERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE ASKING JUST GIVE US WORK AUTHORIZATION, JUST ALLOW US TO SURVIVE PENDING THE RESULT RESOLUTION OF OUR OF OUR SIDE OF THE QUESTION GIVEN