>> "ALMANAC" IS A PRODUCTION OF TWIN CITIES PBS FOR THE STATIONS OF MINNESOTA PUBLIC TELEVISION ASSOCIATION.

>> ERIC: MINNESOTA'S PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSIONER LOOKS AHEAD TO THE ANNOUNCED END OF OPERATION METRO SURGE.

LARRY FITZGERALD "THE ORIGINAL" IS HERE TO TALK SPORTS AND LARRY JUNIOR'S HALL OF FAME NOD.

AND WE'LL HAVE A METRO AREA MAYORS AND COUCHFUL OF POLITICAL PANELISTS.

THAT'S ALL COMING UP NEXT ON "ALMANAC."

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>> ERIC: IT'S BEEN ANOTHER BIG NEWS WEEK.

IN THE NEXT HOUR, WE'LL COVER AS MUCH OF IT AS WE CAN.

MINNESOTA'S PAID FAMILY LEAVE PROGRAM HAS BEEN UP AND RUNNING FOR SIX WEEKS.

WE'LL SEE HOW THE LAUNCH IS GOING.

LARRY FITZGERALD SENIOR IS HERE TO TALK SPORTS.

WE'LL PREVIEW THE START OF THE 2026 LEGISLATIVE SESSION WITH A COUCH FULL OF POLITICOS.

A LOOK AT INCREASED IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT IN 2026 WITH A GROUP OF METRO AREA MAYORS.

AND CHECK IN WITH IMMIGRATION REPORTER KATELYN VUE.

>> Cathy: THAT IS A LOT.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE IMMIGRATION ACTION IS, OF COURSE IS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO START.

ON THURSDAY, PRESIDENT TRUMP'S BORDER CZAR TOM HOMAN ANNOUNCED THE END OF WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION IS CALLING A SUCCESSFUL IMMIGRATION OPERATION.

GOVERNOR TIM WALZ WAS QUICK TO EXPRESS HOPE FOR THE END OF THE SURGE BUT ALSO HAD A DIFFERENT TAKE ON WHAT HOMAN CALLED A SUCCESS, HIGHLIGHTING THE TRAUMA TO COMMUNITIES AND INDIVIDUALS AS WELL AS THE NEGATIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT ON SMALL BUSINESSES.

HERE'S A BIT OF WHAT BOTH HAD TO SAY TO THE MEDIA YESTERDAY.

>> I AM VERY PLEASED TO REPORT THAT THIS SURGE OPERATION AND OUR WORK HERE WAS STATE AND LOCAL OFFICIALS TO IMPROVE COORDINATION AND ACHIEVE MUTUAL GOALS AS WELL AS OUR EFFORTS TO ADDRESS ISSUES OF CONCERN HERE ON THE GROUND HAVE YIELDED THE SUCCESSFUL RESULTS WE CAME HERE FOR.

AS FAR AS THOSE STORIES ABOUT I.C.E.

GOING INTO CHURCHES, ARRESTING PEOPLE N HOSPITALS, IT SIMPLY IS NOT HAPPENING, AND IF YOU HAVE A CASE WHERE IT HAPPENED, DO LET ME KNOW.

BECAUSE ALL THE DIGGING I'VE DONE HERE, I CAN'T FIND A SINGLE ONE.

>> WE ARE CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC, AS WE'VE SAID, AND THAT THIS SURGE OF UNTRAINED, AGGRESSIVE FEDERAL AGENTS ARE GOING TO LEAVE MINNESOTA.

THEY LEFT US WITH DEEP DAMAGE.

GENERATIONAL TRAUMA.- THNERATIONAL TRAUMA.- THEYRATIONAL TRAUMA.- THEY LTIONAL TRAUMA.- THEY LEFONAL TRAUMA.- THEY LEFT AL TRAUMA.- THEY LEFT US TRAUMA.- THEY LEFT US WRAUMA.- THEY LEFT US WITUMA.- THEY LEFT US WITH A.- THEY LEFT US WITH EC- THEY LEFT US WITH ECONOMIC RUIN.

IN SOME CASES.

THEY LEFT US WITH MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS.

WHERE ARE OUR CHILDREN?

WHERE AND WHAT IS THE PROCESS OF THE INVESTIGATIONS INTO THOSE THAT WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATHS OF RENEE AND ALEX?

♪ ♪ >> CATHY: IT IS A RARE OCCURRENCE FOR US TO START THE SHOW WITH THE SAME GUEST TWO WEEKS IN A ROW.

BUT WE ARE LIVING IN UNCHARTED WATERS HERE IN MINNESOTA.

PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSIONER BOB JACOBSON WAS HERE LAST FRIDAY NIGHT ON THE HEELS OF THE ANNOUNCED DRAWDOWN OF FEDERAL FORCES IN MINNESOTA.

HE HAS RETURNED TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE ANNOUNCED END OF OPERATION METRO SURGE, THE LARGEST IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT DEPLOYMENT IN U.S.

HISTORY.

AND WITH THE LEGISLATURE RETURNING TO THE CAPITOL NEXT WEEK, WE HOPE TO SAVE A LITTLE TIME TO TALK WITH THE COMMISSIONER ABOUT SECURITY IN THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

WE HAVE TO STOP MEETING LIKE THIS I THINK.

BUT THANK YOU.

>> ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU.

>> Cathy: APPRECIATE IT.

A LOT OF TALK ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AFTER THE ANNOUNCEMENT WAS MADE, AND I'M WONDERING, CAN YOU TELL US, WERE THERE NEGOTIATIONS?

AND WERE THERE ANY CONCESSIONS THE GOVERNOR HAD TO MAKE TO GET THIS WITHDRAWAL?

>> SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS GOOD NEWS TO HEAR THAT THIS DRAWDOWN WILL BE OCCURRING, WE HOPE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.

WE HAVE CONSISTENT AND CONSTANT CONVERSATIONS WITH I.C.E.

AND I.C.E.

LEADERSHIP THAT ARE HERE IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

THOSE CONVERSATIONS REVOLVE AROUND HOW WE CAN REDUCE THE FOOT PRINTED OF IMMIGRATION OFFICERS THAT ARE HERE AND DOING THIS WORK.

THOSE CONVERSATIONS ALSO REVOLVE AROUND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INVESTIGATE OR PARTNER WITH INVESTIGATIONS ON THREE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS THAT OCCURRED HERE.

>> Eric: AND HOW IS THAT GOING?

IS THAT HAPPENING?

>> WE ARE NOT GETTING A LOT OF COOPERATION RIGHT NOW ON ANY OF THOSE THREE INVESTIGATIONS.

AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO PUSH.

WE THINK THAT THE STATE OF MINNESOTA DEMANDS THAT THE BUREAU OF CRIMINAL APP REHENGS BE INVOLVED IN THOSE INVESTIGATIONS.

WE THINK THAT IS PRUDENT FOR US TO BE INVOLVED AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR SOME SIGN OF OOPERATION FROM OUR FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

>> Cathy: AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE KILLINGS OF ALEX PRETTI, RENEE GOOD, AND THEN THE SHOOTING IN THE LEG OF THE VENEZUELAN INDIVIDUAL IN MINNEAPOLIS, STHEASHT?

>> IS THAT RIGHT.

>> Cathy: THAT CASE IS INTERESTING BECAUSE THE FEDS HAVE OPENED A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION INTO THOSE TWO FEDERAL AGENTS WHO LIED UNDER OATH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.

THE CHARGES HAVE BEEN DROPPED AGAINST THEM, THE TWO VENEZUELAN INDIVIDUALS.

YOU WANT A PIECE OF THAT INVESTIGATION TOO?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

ANY TIME THERE'S A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA, OUR HISTORY WITH FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT IS THAT WE DO JOINT INVESTIGATIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S A USE OF FORCE SUCH AS THIS.

WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST.

WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO PARTNER WITH THEM IN THE FUTURE.

WE THINK MINNESOTANS REALLY EXPECT THAT.

WE HAVE A SPECIFIC UNIT AT THE MINNESOTA BUREAU OF CRIMINAL APPREHENSION, THAT IS TRUSTED, THAT IS HIGHLY TRAINED, THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO DO THESE INVESTIGATIONS AND WE CAN DO THEM IN COOPERATION WITH THEM OR THEY CAN HARE INFORMATION WITH US TO DO THOSE SEPARATELY.

THEY HAVE NOT INVITED US IN TO DO A COOPERATIVE JOINT INVESTIGATION.

>> Eric: HAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THAT THE OPERATION HAS MADE MINNESOTA SAFER?

>> WELL, I'VE EARD THAT COMMENT.

I THINK WHAT MAKES MINNESOTA SAFER IS WHEN COMMUNITIES CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE SAFER.

I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN OUR STATE AND IN SOME AREAS, PEOPLE DO NOT FEEL SAFE.

AND I THINK HERE'S BEEN A LACK OF OR A LOSS OF TRUST IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS AS A COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC SAFETY, I OVERSEE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

FROM OUR STATE RESOURCES.

THE LAST THING THAT I WANT TO DO IS FOR ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO LOSE THE TRUST OF THE PUBLIC.

WE ARE SWORN TO SERVE.

WE TAKE AN OATH TO SERVE.

MINNESOTA LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS DEVELOPED A HISTORY OF PROFESSIONAL POLICING.

THAT I THINK IS SECOND TO NONE.

AND WHEN WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL LOSS OF TRUST, IF THE PUBLIC AND MINNESOTANS DON'T FEEL AS THOUGH THE INVESTIGATIONS ARE BEING DONE PROPERLY OR THAT THE WORK OF A FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OR ANY OTHER IS NOT UP TO STANDARD, THEN WE LOSE THAT TRUST.

>> Cathy: I'M WONDERING HERE, YOU KNOW, THERE SEEMS TO BE TWO DIFFERENT STORIES.

BORDER CZAR HOLMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT COOPERATION ON THE PART OF STATE OFFICIALS WITH THE FEDS.

BUT IN TERMS OF COUNTY JAILS AND DETAINING POTENTIAL CRIMINALS, BUT THE SHERIFFS SAY, GOSH, OUR POLICIES HAVEN'T CHANGED.

SO WHAT'S THE REAL STORY HERE?

>> SO EACH SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR POLICY AND HOW THEY WANT TO APPROACH IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT OR NOTICE OF DETAINERS TO FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND SO EACH COUNTY WOULD MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KEEP UP TO DATE ON WHICH COUNTY MAY BE DOING -- SHARING INFORMATION OR NOT.

EVERY COUNTY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY, SHOULD THEY WISH, TO NOTIFY I.C.E.

IF SOMEONE IS BEING DETAINED THAT HAS A CIVIL IMMIGRATION DETAINER.

BUT AS A REMINDER, LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA CANNOT HOLD SOMEONE JUST SPECIFICALLY ONLY ON A CIVIL IMMIGRATION DETAINER.

WE CAN HOLD THEM ON A CRIMINAL CHARGE.

SO NOTIFICATION CAN BE MADE.

TO I.C.E.

OR FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT IF SOMEONE IS IN CUSTODY THAT MAY HAVE AN I.C.E.

DETAINER, BUT WE CANNOT HOLD THEM STRICTLY ON THAT.

>> Eric: PLANS FOR TUESDAY AND THE ENHANCED SECURITY?

>> WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO ROLL OUT WEAPONS SCREENING FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER AT OUR STATE CAPITOL.

YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD A LOT OF CONCERNS AS WE HAVE SEEN INCREASED INCREASINCREASED FLETS AGAINST ELECTED OFFICIALS.

WE HAD THE MURDER OF MELISSA AND MARK HORTMAN OF COURSE LAST SUMMER.

THE SHOOTING OF JOHN AND YVETTE HOFFMAN AND WE'RE SEEING INCREASED LEVELS OF THREAT.

WE THINK IT'S PRUDENT TO INITIATE WEAPONS SCREENING.

WE ALSO WENT THROUGH A.C.A.S.

MEETINGS AS YOU'RE AWARE AND THERE WAS A REPORT THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND THE NUMBER ONE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO DO WEAPONS SCREENING.

AND SO WE ARE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THAT.

>> Eric: WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK TO TALK ABOUT THAT AS WE SEE HOW IT PROCEEDS.

>> I WOULD LOVE THAT.

>> Cathy: WE'RE GOING TO HEAD OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STUDIO TO TALK WITH SOME TWIN CITIES MAYORS ABOUT LIFE IN THEIR TOWNS IN THE LAST SIX WEEKS DURING IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT SURGE.

WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.

♪ >> ERIC: WITH THE ANNOUNCED END OF METRO SURGE IN SIGHT, CITIES AROUND THE STATE WILL STILL HAVE PLENTY OF AFTERMATH TO DEAL WITH ONCE THE AGENTS LEAVE.

WE'VE ROUNDED UP A DUO OF TWIN CITIES AREA MAYORS TO TALK ABOUT WHAT LIFE HAS BEEN LIKE DURING THE SURGE AND WHAT THEY HOPE THE FUTURE WILL BE FOR THEIR COMMUNITIES.

COLUMBIA HEIGHTS MAYOR AMÁDA MÁRQUEZ SIMULA WAS ELECTED BACK IN 2020 AND REELECTED IN 2024.

ST.

LOUIS PARK MAYOR IS A FORMER CITY COUNCIL MEMBER AND WAS ELECTED IN 2023 AND IS MINNESOTA'S FIRST SOMALI MAYOR, NADIA MOHAMED.

THANKS FOR JOINING US.

WHEN YOU'VE HAD LITTLE LIAM'S STORY.

>> YES.

>> Eric: YOU'VE ENACTED WITH THE NATIONAL, INTERNATIONAL MEDIA.

WHAT IT'S BEEN LIKE IN COLUMBIA HEIGHTS?

>> IT'S BEEN HEART BREAKING, HONESTLY AND TRAUMATIC.

I THINK WE'RE ALL GOING THROUGH THE STAGES OF GRIEF.

DISBELIEF, DESPAIR, HOPE.

AND IGHT NOW WE'RE REALLY HOPING THAT THERE COULD BE A CHANGE.

>> Eric: ARE YOUR CITIZENS SKEPTICAL OF WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN?

>> >> > ABSOLUTELY.

>> Eric: WHAT LEADS TO THAT?

>> I THINK WE'VE HEARD THIS BEFORE.

AND COLUMBIA HEIGHTS, WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS SINCE 2025.

RIGHT AFTER THE INAUGURATION HAPPENED A.WE SAW AN UPTICK IN IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT BUT ALSO IN VIOLATING CONSTITUTIONAL RULES, CONSTITUTIONAL RULES.

SO WE'VE BEEN REALLY DEALING WITH THIS AS A COMMUNITY AND AS A SCHOOL DISTRICT THIS WHOLE PAST YEAR.

BUT WE WERE REALLY TRYING TO JUST STAY LOW AND NOT CAUSE ATTENTION TO OUR OWN COMMUNITIES AND NOW THANKFULLY THERE'S -- I MEAN, UNFORTUNATELY, SO MANY OTHER CITIES -- YEP, WE HAVE THIS COALITION SO WE CAN STUPT EACH OTHER.

>> Eric: WHAT'S THE STORY IN ST.

LOUIS PARK?

>> WE HONESTLY -- IT'S BEEN SIMILAR IN A LOT OF SUBURBS, AND A LOT OF THE CITIES THAT ARE PART OF THIS COALITION.

THEY HAVE BEEN -- THERE'S BEEN I.C.E.

SURGES ALL OVER ST.

LOUIS PARK.

THEY HAVE BEEN SEEN AROUND AT ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.

OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

AND SO IT'S BEEN TERRIFYING TO KIND OF EXPERIENCE THAT AND TO SEE THAT HAPPEN IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND INTO YOUR RESIDENCE.

>> Cathy: CAN YOU GIVE US A SENSE BOTH OF YOU ABOUT THE SMALL BUSINESSES HAT HAVE BEEN AFFECTED?

>> YEAH, THE IMPACT HAVE BEEN GREAT.

YOU WILL SEE THAT IN THE PAST WEEKEND, SO IF YOU'VE GONE TO SMALL BUSINESSES AND WHATNOT, IT WASN'T AS FULL AS IT USED TO BE, BUT I WILL SAY, I THINK ST.

LOUIS PARK RESIDENTS AND I WILL SAY, I THINK IT'S THE SAME ACROSS MINNESOTA, WE'RE REALLY TAKING BACK OUR JOY AND THAT OWNERSHIP OF OUR COMMUNITIES.

I HAVE SEEN THAT TWO WEEKENDS AGO.

I WENT TO LOCAL COFFEE SHOP AND IT WAS FULL TO THE BRIM BECAUSE PEOPLE REFUSED TO LET FEAR DICTATE THEIR LIVES AND THEY WOULD GRAB COFFEES FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THEY WOULD JUST GO DROP IT OFF FOR FOLKS WHO COULDN'T JOIN THEM.

BUT THEY'VE BEEN REALLY INTENTIONAL ABOUT GOING OUT INTO THE SMALL BUSINESSES.

BUT NEVERTHELESS, YOU HAVE SMALL BUSINESSES CLOSING THEIR DOORS BECAUSE OF SAFETY REASONS.

>> Cathy: AND IN COLUMBIA HEIGHTS, SAME SIGN.

SOME BUSINESSES HAVE LOST 50% OF THEIR REVENUE?

>> ABSOLUTELY, YES, WE HAVE A FEW BUSINESSES THAT HAVE CLOSED AND THEY JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE STAFF TO STAY OPEN.

THEY'RE A SMALL BUSINESS, FAMILY BUSINESSES, PEOPLE AREN'T COMFORTABLE COMING INTO WORK AND WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF REPORTS OF THOSE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO REOPEN.

THAT THEY CAN'T DIG THEMSELVES OUT OF THIS.

WE HAVE SET UP SOME E.D.A.

FUNDING THAT WE'RE -- >> Eric: ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT?

>> YES, AT OUR CITY.

WE'VE ALWAYS SUPPORTED THIS FACADE IMPROVEMENT PLAN TO REALLY HELP THEM INVESTMENT IN HOW IT LOOKS.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE JUST NEED TO GET OUR BUSINESSES THROUGH THIS.

I'VE BEEN ASKING ABOUT THIS ECONOMIC DISFORTUNE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO DIG OURSELVES OUT OF THIS?

WE'RE A SMALL COMMUNITY, VERY TIGHT BUDGET.

AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT WE'RE FINALLY GETTING THESE NUMBERS BACK OF WHAT THIS COST HAS BEEN.

>> Cathy: WHAT DID -- OF COURSE HE CHOOL DISTRICT, YOUR SUPERINTENDENT HAS BEEN VERY PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON.

WAS THAT BY DESIGN?

>> WELL, AS I SIDE, WE WERE TRYING TO JUST STAY LOW FOR THE LAST YEAR, BUT THEN ONCE THEY SURGE CAME, IN, IT WAS OBVIOUS IT WASN'T JUST US AND THERE WERE SO MANY FAMILIES REALLY BEING TARGETED THAT WE HAD KIND OF NO CHOICE BUT TO REALLY GO PUBLIC WITH THIS.

>> Eric: TELL US BOUT THE COALITION.

WHAT DO YOU HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THAT?

>> YEAH, SO THIS STARTED WITH A COUPLE.

MAYORS GETTING TOGETHER, HAVING CONVERSATIONS IN NOVEMBER, DECEMBER TIME, WHEN THESE SURGES WERE REALLY COMING IN FRUITION IN MINNESOTA AND WE REALIZED THAT WE ARE STRONGER IN NUMBERS.

THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO IGNORE ONE CITY AND ONE MAYOR, BUT THEY CAN'T IGNORE ALL OF US.

GET FOLKS ALONG WITH US, WITH- AGT FOLKS ALONG WITH US, WITH- AGREFOLKS ALONG WITH US, WITH- AGREEMLKS ALONG WITH US, WITH- AGREEMENS ALONG WITH US, WITH- AGREEMENT ALONG WITH US, WITH- AGREEMENT THONG WITH US, WITH- AGREEMENT THATG WITH US, WITH- AGREEMENT THAT WWITH US, WITH- AGREEMENT THAT WHATH US, WITH- AGREEMENT THAT WHAT' US, WITH- AGREEMENT THAT WHAT'SUS, WITH- AGREEMENT THAT WHAT'SUS, WITH- HAPPENING IN OUR STREETS S NOT PUBLICLY SAFE.

ECONOMICALLY, IT'S HURTING US AND THAT IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE LOCAL AUTHORITY OR THE LOCAL -- OUR LOCAL CONTROL, BASICALLY, BECAUSE THEY ARE COMING INTO OUR CITIES WITHOUT CLARITY, WITHOUT COORDINATION, WITHOUT ANY OF THESE THINGS THAT WE'RE COMING TO EXPECT.

>> Cathy: SO BECAUSE OF THIS UNITEDDED VOICE, WOULD YOU USE THIS COALITION, AT THE LEGISLATURE?

>> YEAH.

>> Cathy: TO ASK FOR STATE FUNDS?

>> YEP, ABSOLUTELY.

AND THEN EVEN, YOU NOW, HOPEFULLY FEDERAL FUNDS AS WELL.

BUT ESPECIALLY AT THE STATE.

FOR COLUMBIA HEIGHTS TO FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SORT OF LIKE THE BOOT ON OUR NECK, AND THEN FOR ME, WHEN WE GOT TOGETHER AS MAYORS AND I FOUND OUT EDEN PRAIRIE WAS IN A SIMILAR PLACE, YOU KNOW, EDINA, BLOOMINGTON, BEING SO DIFFERENT, THAN COLUMBIA HEIGHTS BUT REALIZING WE ALL FELT THE SAME BECAUSE AS MAYORS WE REALLY CARE ABOUT AND PROTECT OUR COMMUNITIES.

IT HELPED E BE LIKE, WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES, BUT THEN ALSO, GOOD, OTHER PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BELIEVE US.

WE'RE GOING TO BE RECOGNIZED MORE FOR WHAT THIS IS DOING TO HURT OUR METRO AREA.

>> Cathy: I HAD AN INTERESTING CONVERSATION WITH A THERAPIST THIS MORNING ON MINNESOTA PUBLIC ADIO ABOUT COLLECTIVE TRAUMA AND STRESS.

RIGHT?

AND HE SAID IT'S GOING TO TAKE LEADERS LIKE YOU AND OTHERS TO KIND OF STEP UP AND KIND OF HELP THE REST OF YOUR PEOPLE FORWARD.

SEEMS LIKE LOT ON YOUR SHOULDS, THOUGH?

>> I WILL SAY, I THINK IT DOES BRING SOLACE TO KNOW THAT I AM NOT IN IT BY YSELF, RIGHT?

THAT THERE IS FOLKS WHO ARE EXPERIENCING THIS PAIN AND HARM WITH ME, RIGHT?

AND EVEN ON A PERSONAL CAPACITY AS A SOMALI AMERICAN, AS A SOMALI MINNESOTAN, IT HAS BEEN INCREDIBLE BEEN INCREDIBLLY HARD TO DO THIS JOB, AND YET YOU HAVE FOLKS WHO ARE PART OF THIS COALITION WHO ARE FIGHTING FOR THIS COMOB GOAL.

AND AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE I.C.E.

IS SLOWING LEAVING MINNESOTA, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT DOES RECOVERY LOOK LIKE FOR OUR COMMUNITIES?

IS IT FINANCIAL RELIEF?

RIGHT?

IS IT FOR OUR COMMUNITIES, OUR BUSINESSES, OUR RESIDENTS, OUR RENTAL ASSISTANCE RELIEF AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND WE'RE REALLY IN THE PROCESS OF RECOVERY AND WHAT DOES RECOVERY LOOK LIKE.

>> Eric: WOULD AN EVICTION MORATORIUM HELP?

>> I HAVE SIGNED ONTO THAT LETTER?

>> Eric: HOW MANY, 200 AND SOME MAYORS?

>> YEAH, IT'S GROWN SO LARGE AND ONE OF THE THINGS FOR THAT, THOUGH, IS JUST REMINDING PEOPLE THAT WE NEED THIS FOR SURE BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE A PUSHBACK FROM COMMUNITY WHO ARE GOING TO SAY WHY DID WE HELP OUT?

AND WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT THIS HAS BEEN A HARD TIME AND WE CAN'T FORGET IT ONCE WE MOVE BACK TO THINGS AS NORMAL.

WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE TRAUMATIZED.

FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME.

THIS HAS BEEN SO HARD.

AND IT'S HITTING COMMUNITIES.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THEY'RE RED OR THEY'RE BLUE OR THEIR PURPLE.

THIS HAS BEEN HITTING ALL THE STATE.

>> AND ERODES TRUST WITH THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT, RIGHT?

YEARS -- THE TRUST THAT WE HAVE BEEN SPENDING YEARS IN BUILDING, ESPECIALLY AROUND PUBLIC SAFETY, AROUND LAW ENFORCEMENT, IS JUST IN A MATTER OF WEEKS HAS JUST VANISHED LIKE THAT.

AND IT'S JUST STARTED TO ERODE AND PEOPLE DON'T TRUST GOVERNMENT.

THEY DON'T TRUST FOLKS.

I MEAN, I'M REALLY FORTUNATE HERE IN ST.

LOUIS PARK, I SHOULD SAY, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THAT TRUST ISN'T COMPLETELY GONE, BUT IT HAS -- THERE'S BEEN SOME DAMAGE THAT HAPPENED TO IT.

>> Cathy: AND HOW ABOUT DAMAGE IN COLUMBIA HEIGHTS?

>> SAME THING.

WE HAVE NOTICED WITH OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, CALLS ARE DOWN.

MOST PEOPLE WHEN THEY CALL, IT IS ABOUT SAFETY.

IT'S GENERALLY NOT ABOUT CRIME.

SO WHEN OUR CALLS ARE DOWN, WE KNOW IT'S BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STILL EXPERIENCING THOSE UNSAFE CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT THEY DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE CALLING, AND OUR POLICE WANT TO HELP.

MOST OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN HIRED FROM THE COLUMBIA HEIGHTS COMMUNITY.

THEY GRADUATED FROM COLUMBIA HEIGHTS.

IT'S THEIR COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE A VERY DIVERSE DEPARTMENT.

AND THEY WANT TO BE THERE TO HELP.

>> Eric: YOU GOT A LOT ON YOUR PLATES AND WE'RE DELIGHTED YOU CAME OVER TO SHARE WITH US.

>> THANK YOU FOR SHARING OUR STORY.

♪ ♪ >> ARON: WHEN MY MOTHER WAS 20, SHE WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO WITNESS HER COUNTRY GAIN ITS INDEPENDENCE.

THAT IS A ONCE-IN-A-LIFETIME EXPERIENCE THAT MOST HUMAN BEINGS WILL NEVER GET TO HAVE, AND IF YOU ASK MY MOTHER WHERE SHE WAS WHEN SHE HEARD THAT MONUMENTAL NEWS SHE'LL TELL YOU, "SHE DOESN’T REMEMBER."

MY MOTHER REMEMBERS EVERY TIME I PEED MY BED OR FAILED A TEST, BUT SHE DOESN’T REMEMBER THE DAY OUR PEOPLE GAINED INDEPENDENCE.

NOW, I'M NOT TELLING YOU THIS HAPPENED BECAUSE I WANT TO EMBARRASS MY MOTHER; I DO THAT WHENEVER I WANT.

I'M TELLING YOU THIS BECAUSE HISTORY DOES NOT DOCUMENT ITSELF.

WE ARE LIVING IN INTERESTING TIMES, TIMES SEEMINGLY UNHEARD OF, AND WHILE JOURNALISTS AND MODERN HISTORIANS ARE WORKING TO DOCUMENT WHAT'S HAPPENING, THEY AREN'T FOCUSED ON HOW YOU'RE FEELING OR WHAT YOUR DAY-TO-DAY LIFE LOOKS LIKE AT THIS MOMENT.

SO YOU NEED TO STEP UP AND MAKE THAT HAPPEN!

OTHERWISE, YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO REMEMBER DECADES LATER WHAT YOU WERE DOING WHEN THE WORLD CHANGED.

AND EVEN WORSE, YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO TELL YOUR HANDSOME SON WHAT IT WAS LIKE.

IMAGINE IF YOUR MOTHER SAW THE WRIGHT BROTHERS INVENT AIR TRAVEL, OR THE FIRST TIME MUHAMMAD ALI BOXED, OR THE FALL OF THE BERLIN WALL.

NOW IMAGINE IF SHE SAW ANY OF THOSE THINGS AND JUST FORGOT ABOUT IT.

NOW REALIZE THAT COULD BE YOU.

ANY MOMENT COULD BE A MASSIVE HISTORICAL MOMENT AND THE ONLY GOOD WAY TO BE PREPARED FOR IT IS TO DOCUMENT YOUR LIFE.

TAKE PICTURES.

START A DIARY.

HECK, MAKE SOME CAVE PAINTINGS.

I DON'T CARE.

JUST MAKE IT A NORMAL PART OF YOUR LIFE.

BECAUSE I CAN'T TELL YOU THINGS ARE GOING TO SETTLE DOWN, BUT I CAN TELL YOU YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO REMEMBER WHERE YOU WERE WHEN THEY HAPPENED.

SO IF YOU'RE SEEING THIS, PLEASE DOCUMENT YOUR HISTORY, AND, MOM, IF YOU'RE SEEING- THD, MOM, IF YOU'RE SEEING- THIS MOM, IF YOU'RE SEEING- THIS, OM, IF YOU'RE SEEING- THIS, I , IF YOU'RE SEEING- THIS, I DIIF YOU'RE SEEING- THIS, I DIDN YOU'RE SEEING- THIS, I DIDN'TOU'RE SEEING- THIS, I DIDN'T F'RE SEEING- THIS, I DIDN'T FORE SEEING- THIS, I DIDN'T FORGESEEING- THIS, I DIDN'T FORGET.EING- THIS, I DIDN'T FORGET.EING- IT'S JUST A DAY LATE, BUT HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

♪ >> CATHY: LONG BEFORE THIS CURRENT IMMIGRATION DRAGNET, WE'VE BEEN CHECKING IN WITH IMMIGRATION REPORTER KATELYN VUE FOR MONTHS NOW ON THAT ACTIVITY.

SHE IS PART OF THE TEAM COVERING THE STORY FOR THE "SAHAN JOURNAL."

WELCOME BACK, KATELYN.

CAN YOU GAUGE THE LEVEL.

DRAW DOWN AT THIS POINT?

IT IS OBVIOUS THAT I.C.E.

AND BORDER PATROL AGENTS ARE LEAVING?

>> IT'S DEFINITELY HARD TO TRACK.

I MEAN, THERE'S DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT IMMIGRANT ADVOCACY GROUPS ARE SAYING THAT THEY'RE SEEING, IT'S SEEMINGLY TO SCALE BACK.

SO FEWER TRUCKS COMING OUT OF BISHOP, OUT OF THE BISHOP WHIPPLE BUILDING WHERE I.C.E.

'S OFFICES ARE, AND THERE'S MORE PEOPLE GETTING RELEASED OUT OF THE WHIPPLE BUILDING.

SO THOSE ARE SIGNS THAT THERE ARE SOME, YOU KNOW, DRAWBACKS THAT ARE HAPPENING AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE ANNOUNCEMENT THAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY, I THINK FOLKS ARE TRYING TO LOOK FOR MORE SIGNS.

>> Eric: YOU'VE BEEN ON THE STREET DOING THIS, AND I WONDER IF THERE'S ANY INDICATION THAT YOU'VE PICKED UP THAT ANYBODY'S GETTING PAID FOR DOING THIS, PROTESTING?

>> NO, I'M NOT GETTING ANY INDICATION PEOPLE ARE GETTING PAID.

BUT A LOT OF FOLKS ARE, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTEERING THEIR TIME TO DELIVER FOOD AND I DID A STORY ABOUT TOW TRUCKS THAT ARE HELPING WITH TOWING VEHICLES BACK TO FAMILIES.

SO, YEAH, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DOING OUT OF THEIR OWN TIME AND MONEY.

>> Cathy: BECAUSE OF COURSE A LOT OF THESE VEHICLES, THEY'VE BEEN STOPPED.

THE OCCUPANTS BEEN DRAGGED OUT OF THE VEHICLES, AND THEN THE VEHICLES HAVE JUST BEEN LEFT IN THE STREETS.

>> EXACTLY, AND THEY HAVE TO WORK QUICKLY TO TRY TO RETURN THOSE ARS, OR THEY'LL BE TAKEN BY THE CITY AND IN THE IMPOUND LOT, IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY.

EVERY SINGLE DAY, THERE'S A CHARGE THEY HAVE TO PAY.

>> Cathy: I THINK YOU WERE PROBABLY AT THE CATHEDRAL HILL IN ST.

PAUL WITH THE CRASH THAT OCCURRED BY THE COFFEE SHOP ON SELBY AVENUE WITH AN I.C.E.

AGENT CHASING THAT CAR.

AND I'M WONDERING, CAN YOU GIVE US A LEVEL OF WHAT IT HAS BEEN LIKE TO COVER THINGS THAT YOU PROBABLY HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE?

YOU KNOW?

I MEAN, IT'S JUST BEEN KIND OF ALMOST UNREAL I WOULD THINK.

>> YEAH, I MEAN, THERE'S DEFINITELY BEEN MOMENTS WHERE IT'S UNBELIEVABLE, LIKE, TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE -- WHEN OPERATION METRO SURGE STARTED IN DECEMBER, I DON'T THINK WE ALL HAD AN IDEA OF HOW THE LEVEL IT WAS GOING TO RISE TO, THE EXTREME SITUATIONS THAT WE WERE GOING TO SEE HAPPEN OUT OF OPERATION METRO SURGE.

BUT THEY HAPPENED.

AND I THINK THAT FOR ME ESPECIALLY AFTER THE KILLING OF RENEE, IT WAS A LOT OF PONDERING OF WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT.

AND WE'VE SEEN THAT NOT ONLY ONE PERSON WAS KILLED BUT, YOU KNOW, TWO PEOPLE WERE.

>> Eric: WHAT'S BEEN YOUR OBSERVATION ABOUT THE MOOD AND THE ATTITUDE OF THE PROTESTS, JUST SORT OF A GENERAL SENSE?

>> EAH, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED AND TIRED OF SEEING THEIR NEIGHBORS HURT AND SCARED.

A LOT OF FOLKS ARE WANTING TO DO SOMETHING.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE'VE SEEN SO MANY PEOPLE FEEL SO PASSIONATE AND ACTIVATED TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING IN THIS MOMENT TO HELP OTHERS.

BUT I'VE ALSO SEEN FOLKS EXTREMELY SCARED TO JUST GO OUT AND DO THEIR DAILY LIVES.

SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FOLKS ARE TRYING TO DO THEIR BEST TO PITCH IN IN THAT EFFORT.

>> Cathy: HAVE YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO PEOPLE WHO ARE IN HIDING.

>> YEAH, I'VE BEEN ABLE O TALK TO FOLKS THAT ARE IN HIDING.

I SPOKE WITH A FAMILY LAST FRIDAY.

AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A FAMILY OF THREE THAT WERE DETAINED, AND INSIDE THE WHIPPLE BUILDING, FOR AROUND SIX HOURS.

AND AFTERWARDS, THEY GAVE THE MOM AN ANKLE ONITOR.

SO, YOU NOW, I.C.E.

KNOWS WHERE THEY ARE.

AND THEY'RE JUST TRYING THEIR BEST, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE THE MOM HAD LOST HER JOB BECAUSE SHE WAS DETAINED.

SO SHE'S JUST TRYING HER BEST RIGHT NOW AS A SINGLE MOTHER.

>> Cathy: SO A PERSONAL QUESTION.

AND I'M NOT GOOD AT THIS AS A JOURNALIST, BUT OUR WORK REQUIRES US TO SOMETIMES -- YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO PLOW FORWARD AND DO THE STORY.

HOW ARE YOU TAKING CARE F YOURSELF?

>> YEAH.

WELL, I'VE DEFINITELY LEARNED A LOT ABOUT HOW TO BALANCE, YOU KNOW, THE BREAKING NEWS AND TRYING MY BEST TO TELL THE STORIES OF WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING THROUGH AS HONESTLY AND AS, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO INCLUDE AS MUCH AS I CAN, BECAUSE THE CHANCE I GET TO TALK TO FOLKS WHO ARE SCARED IS A REALLY IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY.

SO TRYING TO BALANCE THAT WITH MANAGING HOW MUCH TIME I'M WORKING AND FIGURING OUT WHAT I NEED IN THAT MOMENT, YOU KNOW, REMEMBERING TO, YOU KNOW, EAT AND SLEEP AND DO THOSE THINGS AND TRY TO BE A NORMAL ERSON.

BUT, YEAH, IT'S DRCHLTLY -- I'VE HAD DAYS WHERE IT'S HARD TO GO TO SLEEP, YOU KNOW?

>> Eric: APPRECIATE YOU KEEPING US UP TO DATE ON GOING ON.

>> YEAH, FOR SURE, THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

♪ >> Cathy: LARRY WAS THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYER OF THE YEAR AND WILL START TRAINING CAMP SOON WITH THE ARIZONA CARDINALS UNDER COACH DENNY GREEN.

YOU'VE BEEN TO CAMP BEFORE.

YOU WERE A VIKINGS ALL BOY YEARS OF YEARS AGO.

WHAT ARE YOUR EXPECTATIONS FOR TRAINING CAMP NOW AS A PLAYER.

>> HELP THE TEAM ANY WAY I CAN.

I'M VERY FORTUNATE TO BE IN THIS POSITION AND THANKFUL AND I AM GOING TO MAKE THE BEST OUT OF IT.

♪ ♪ >> ERIC: THAT WAS LARRY FITZGERALD JUNIOR NEARLY 24 YEARS AGO.

SO WE TRULY CAN SAY "WE KNEW HIM WHEN" ABOUT THE FIRST BALLOT NFL HALL OF FAMER.

LARRY JUNIOR'S DAD, LARRY THE ORIGINAL, HAS BEEN TALKING SPORTS WITH US HERE ON "ALMANAC" FOR NEARLY THREE DECADES.

AND WE HAVE FOLLOWED HIS SON'S FOOTBALL PROWESS ALL THAT TIME.

A CAREER THAT INCLUDES PLAYING FOR THE ARIZONA CARDINALS FOR HIS ENTIRE RECORD-SETTING NFL CAREER.

AFTER HIS FIRST BALLOT SELECTION WAS ANNOUNCED, HE TALKED WITH AN ARIZONA REPORTER ABOUT THE ROLE HIS PARENTS PLAYED ALONG THE WAY.

HERE'S PART OF THAT CONVERSATION.

>> SAD THAT SHE'S NOT HERE TO SPEND THIS TIME WITH US, BUT MY DAD, YOU KNOW, HE MADE SO MANY SACRIFICES FOR OUR FAMILY.

WHEN THINGS WERE -- WEREN'T EASY, WHEN MOM BATTLING FOR HER LIFE AND HE KEPT US TOGETHER.

AND, YOU KNOW, CONTINUED TO POUR INTO MY BROTHER AND I, GIVE US EVERY OPPORTUNITY, CONNECTION, RESOURCE, TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, JUST CHASE OUR DREAM, YOU KNOW, GIVING ME- THR DREAM, YOU KNOW, GIVING ME- THE DREAM, YOU KNOW, GIVING ME- THE JOEAM, YOU KNOW, GIVING ME- THE JOB M, YOU KNOW, GIVING ME- THE JOB AS YOU KNOW, GIVING ME- THE JOB AS AOU KNOW, GIVING ME- THE JOB AS A B KNOW, GIVING ME- THE JOB AS A BALNOW, GIVING ME- THE JOB AS A BALL W, GIVING ME- THE JOB AS A BALL BO GIVING ME- THE JOB AS A BALL BOY,IVING ME- THE JOB AS A BALL BOY, HING ME- THE JOB AS A BALL BOY, HE'G ME- THE JOB AS A BALL BOY, HE'S ME- THE JOB AS A BALL BOY, HE'S ME- BEEN THE ROCK THAT HOLD THIS FAMILY TOGETHER AND AS MUCH AS MY ACCOMPLISHMENT IS HIS AND IT'S JUST A -- IT AS A WONDERFUL MOMENT O BE ABLE TO SHARE IT WITH HIM.

♪ ♪ >> ERIC: LARRY FITZGERALD SENIOR JOINS US NOW.

WHEN HE'S NOT CHATTING SPORTS WITH US HERE IN STUDIO "B," HE DOES RADIO WORK FOR THE NATIONAL PROGRAMMING NETWORK.

PEOPLE FORGET YOU WERE NAMED TO THE ALL CHICAGOLAND HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL TEAM IN THE SECOND HALF OF THE 20TH CENTURY.

>> THAT'S RIGHT, ALL CENTURY.

>> Eric: SO YOU GOT THAT GOING FOR YOU.

[ Laughter ] >> YEAH, AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WAS -- IT WAS VERY REWARDING BECAUSE IT WAS A FRUSTRATING TIME BEING IN HIGH SCHOOL IN CHICAGO AND LOSING CHAMPIONSHIPS, BUT THAT WAS REALLY ONE OF THE DAYS THAT I'LL NEVER FORGET.

>> Eric: WHAT WAS IT LOOK HEARING THE ANNOUNCEMENT?

>> UNBELIEVABLE TO KNOW THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU RAISE YOUR KIDS.

AND THEY BECOME -- THEY TAKE ON A LIFE OF THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW?

I REMEMBER LARRY TELLING ME AND MARCUS, THAT THEY WANTED TO PLAY FOOTBALL, AND I TOLD THEM HOW TOUGH THE GAME WAS AND HOW SERIOUS THEY HAD TO BE IF YOU WERE GOING TO BE ABOUT TRYING TO BE A WINNER AND BEING A GOOD TEAMMATE.

AND SO NEXT THING I KNEW, LARRY'S CATCHING BALLS IN BED AND I'M HEARING BALLS, WHEN HE'S ASLEEP, THE BALL HITS THE FLOOR, AND HE WENT ABOUT IT THE RIGHTWAY.

AND I WAS FORTUNATE THAT GOD GAVE ME A BLESSING WITH DENNIS GREEN BECOMING HEAD COACH.

IT CAME AT A TIME IN TRANSITION IN MY CAREER.

AND DENNY ALLOWED ME TO HOST AND PRODUCE HIS RADIO SHOW AND HIS NETWORK, AND THAT OPENED THE DOOR FOR LARRY AND MARCUS AND THEY LITERALLY GOT ON THAT FOOTBALL FIELD AND WHEN YOU DRIVE RANDY MOSS AND CHRIS CARTER AND YOU'VE GOT WARREN MOON AND TONY DUNGY, THERE'S A LOT OF OFFENSIVE MINDED LOT OF OFFENSIVE MINDE MINDED KNOWLEDGEABLE MEN WHO KNOW ABOUT FOOTBALL.

>> Eric: DID YOU KNOW EARLY ON THAT HE HAD NFL ABILITY?

>> I DID, BUT I DID NOT KNOW TO THE LEVEL THAT ONE DAY I'M DOING DENNIS GREEN'S RADIO SHOW, AND HE IT ME LIKE A GEORGE FOREMAN PUNCH.

HE SAID LARRY COULD PLAY IN THE NFL NOW.

AND IT WAS ABSOLUTELY STUNNING TO ME.

AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, I'M TELLING MYSELF, I CAN'T LET HIM KNOW THAT.

I CAN'T LET ANYBODY KNOW THAT.

I GOT TO KEEP A LID ON THIS SO THAT HE'LL KEEP THE DESIRE AND THE FIRE AND THE DETERMINATION TO KEEP WORKING AND GETTING BETTER.

>> Eric: YOU DIDN'T WANT HIM TO GET THE BIG HEAD?

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING?

>> NO, I DIDN'T WANT ANY PART OF THAT.

BUT ALSO FOR COACH TO -- THIS GUY RAISED -- I MEAN, HE TOOK CARE OF JERRY RICE, YOU KNOW, DURING THE DAY.

AND THEN OF COURSE DRAFTED RANDY MOSS AND HAD CRIS CARTER, SO HE KNOWS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WIDE RECEIVERS, AND SO I NEVER SECOND GUESSED HIM AND IT WAS JUST AN INCREDIBLE EXPERIENCE.

>> Cathy: I REMEMBER BEING IN YOUR HOUSE WITH YOU AND LARRY JUNIOR AND HE WAS PLAYING HOLY ANGELS, AND CAROL, YOUR WIFE, I MEAN, YOU WERE JUST -- YOU GUYS WERE LIKE -- YOU ARE GOING TO FINISH SCHOOL.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET YOUR EDUCATION.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

AND YOU GUYS REALLY WORKED HARD TO REALLY PUT HIM ON THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW.

I MEAN, HE'S SUCH A GOOD KID.

AND HE WAS JUST SUCH AN AMAZING ATHLETE.

I WONDER WHAT CAROL WOULD THINK.

>> WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT?

THAT TIME WAS NCREDIBLE FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT SHE'S BATTLING TO STAY ALIVE, CANCER, AND OF COURSE LARRY AND MARCUS FOUND OUT ABOUT HER BEING IN THAT POSITION, WHEN THEY WERE FRESHMEN, AND LARRY'S GRADES TOOK A IVE.

AND SO THAT WOUND UP HAVING TO FIND A WAY -- FIND AN ULTERIOR WAY TO GET TO THE NEXT LEVEL WHERE HE COULD GET HIS ELIGIBILITY IN COLLEGE, AND SO THAT MEANT GOING THE PREP SCHOOL ROUTE.

THAT'S WHAT WE WORKED ON, THAT'S WHAT WE PRAYED ON.

>> Eric: AND HE WAS NEVER AFRAID TO GO OVER THE MIDDLE.

>> NEVER, NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT.

AND HE WAS SUCH A -- NOT ONLY A DOMINANT PLAYER IN HIGH SCHOOL, HE CARED ABOUT HIS TEAMMATES, HE CARED ABOUT THE OPPONENTS THAT THEY LAYED AND HE RESPECTED THEM, AND FOR A PARENT WHO PLAYED THE GAME, I PLAYED A MORE PHYSICAL POSITION, I PLAYED DEFENSIVE TACKLE AND THAT TYPE OF STUFF.

AND IT WAS JUST REWARDING TO SEE THAT HE CARED ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT HE PLAYED AGAINST, EVEN THOUGH HE WAS WINNING MOST OF THE TIME.

>> Cathy: DO YOU KNOW WHO'S GOING TO MAKE THE BIG INDUCTION SPEECH AT ALL FOR HIM?

>> WELL, IT'S A LONG WAY OUT.

THEY STILL GOT TO DO HIS BUST.

THEY GOT TO GET HIS RING SIZED UP AND OF COURSE THEY GOT TO GET HIM HIS YELLOW JACKET.

SO IT WAS GREAT BEING AT THE NFL HONORS HAT NIGHT TO SEE YOUR SON.

INTRODUCED AS THE FIRST HALL OF FAMER, YOU KNOW, TO BE A FIRST BALLOT HALL OF FAMER.

384 HALL OF AMERS AND ONLY ABOUT 25 OF THEM ARE FIRST BALLOT.

AND THE VIKINGS OF COURSE HAVE GOT ALAN PAGE AND JIM MARSHALL, AND PAUL KRAUS, AND WARREN MOON AND JOHN RANDALL AND RANDALL MCDANIEL AND THEY WERE ALL THERE AND IT WAS JUST GREAT TO BE AMONG FAMILY LITERALLY AT THE SUPER BOWL.

>> Eric: WE ARE SO HAPPY FOR YOUR AND THE FAMILY AND FOR LARRY JUNIOR.

CONGRATULATIONS.

>> THANK YOU, GUYS.

COULDN'T HAVE DONE IT WITHOUT "ALMANAC."

[ Laughter ] >> Eric: WE'LL TAKE THAT AND RUN WITH IT.

THANKS, MAN.

♪ >> CATHY: MINNESOTA'S NEW PAID FAMILY MEDICAL LEAVE PROGRAM IS IN HIGH DEMAND.

LESS THAN TWO MONTHS IN, THERE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN 30,000 APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED.

AROUND 20,000 APPLICATIONS HAVE BEEN PROCESSED, WITH SOME FLAGGED FOR FRAUD.

HERE WITH MORE, EVAN ROWE, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF MINNESOTA'S DEPARTMENT OF EMPLOYMENT AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, KNOWN AS D.E.E.D.

THAT'S A MOUTH FULL.

WELCOME.

>> THANK YOU, GREAT TO BE HERE.

>> Cathy: JUST CURIOUS.

THAT'S A LOT, RIGHT?

30,000?

IS THAT WHERE YOUR PROJECTIONS WERE?

>> YEAH, IT'S DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, KIND OF IN LINE WITH WHAT WE'D EXPECT.

PRETTY MUCH EVERY STATE-RUN PAID FAMILY AND MEDICAL LEAVE PROGRAM THAT'S BEEN SET UP AROUND THE COUNTRY, YOU SEE AN INITIAL WAVE OF APPLICATIONS AT THE VERY BEGINNING, PARTLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF BONDING LEAVE CLAIMS THAT COME IN RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING AND ALSO YOU HAVE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO HAVE HAD LONG-STANDING MEDICAL ISSUES.

WHAT WE'VE ALREADY STARTED TO SEE, THOUGH, IS THE UNIQUE APPLICATION VOLUME HAS BEEN STARTING TO TREND DOWN EVEN IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS AND, YOU KNOW, WILL START TO SETTLE OUT.

>> Eric: I KNOW YOU'VE HAD TO ANSWER THIS TO POLICY MAKERS.

WHAT ABOUT FRAUD RETARDANCE?

>> SO I WOULD SAY THAT WE HAVE BUILT THIS PROGRAM FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, FROM THE GROUND UP TO FIGHT FRAUD AND TO RUN IT WITH HIGH LEVELS OF INTEGRITY, RIGHT?

IT REALLY -- FIGHTING FRAUD COMES DOWN TO A OMBINATION OF PEOPLE, PROCESS, AND TECHNOLOGY.

YOU HIRE THE BEST PEOPLE.

YOU BUILD IN BUSINESS PROCESSES HAT UNDERSTAND THAT FRAUD, YOU KNOW, ATTEMPTS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN BUT IT'S WHAT YOU DO TO COMBAT THEM THAT MATTERS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY THAT ENABLES EVERYTHING.

WE'VE BUILT THIS TO REALLY INTEGRATE ALL THOSE THINGS TOGETHER AND WE'RE REALLY CONFIDENT THAT AGAIN, WE'RE ALREADY CATCHING ATTEMPTS.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET ATTEMPTS IN ANY PROGRAM.

THAT'S EXPECTED.

WE'RE IDENTIFYING THEM.

WE'RE STOPPING MANY OF THEM BEFORE THEY EVEN START AND WORKING O ENSURE THAT THIS PROGRAM RUNS WITH HIGH INTEGRITY.

>> Cathy: ARE YOU USING A.I.

TO DO THIS?

>> NO, WE USE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT TOOLS, BUT WITHOUT HUMAN JUDGMENT, YOU GOT TO HAVE HUMAN JUDGMENT INVOLVED IN THESE THINGS AND I WOULD SAY THAT WE HAVE BUILT A REALLY ROBUST TEAM OF PROGRAM AND FINANCIAL INTEGRITY SPECIALISTS WHO ARE EXPERTS IN THEIR FIELD.

YOU'RE TALKING FORMER COUNTY AUDITORS, PEOPLE -- ACCOUNTANTS, FOLKS WHO REALLY UNDERSTAND THIS STUFF AND ARE CONSTANTLY THINKING ABOUT NOT JUST HOW CAN WE DO THIS WELL, BUT HOW CAN WE CONTINUOUSLY GET EVEN BETTER?

>> Eric: BUSINESS COMMUNITY REACTION SO FAR, WHAT'S IT BEEN?

>> I WONDERFUL SAY IT'S BEEN POSITIVE.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN FROM A LOT OF MEMBERS OF THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY IS PLEASANTLY SURPRISED IN TERMS OF THEIR EXPERIENCES WITH THE STATE PROGRAM AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE DOING OUR VERY BEST TO BE RESPONSIVE TO PROMPTLY TURN AROUND APPLICATIONS.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN WORKING REALITY HARD ON THIS FOR THE LAST TWO AND A HALF YEARS AND WE'VE DONE LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF OUTREACH ND ENGAGEMENT EVENTS.

WE'VE CONNECTED WITH OVER 21,000 BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVES SINCE THE LAW WAS SIGNED.

SO THIS IS THE CULMINATION OF A LOT OF REALLY HARD WORK AND OUR WORK IS NEVER DONE.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE WORKING TO MAKE THIS PROGRAM EVEN BETTER.

>> Cathy: DO YOU THINK THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC EVE KNOWS ABOUT THE PROGRAM?

>> BASED ON THE NUMBER OF APPLICATIONS, I CERTAINLY THINK O. AND THAT'S NOT SURPRISING, AGAIN, RIGHT?

LIKE, THIS PROGRAM, I WOULD SAY MINNESOTA'S PROGRAM HAS BEEN MORE SCRUTINIZED THAN ANY STATE PROGRAM.

IT'S CERTAINLY BASKETBALL THE SUBJECT OF MORE PUBLIC CONVERSATION.

AND THE LAW CERTAINLY REQUIRED THAT EMPLOYERS NOTIFY THEIR EMPLOYEES ABOUT IT.

BUT MINNESOTANS HAVE BEEN READY FOR A PROGRAM FOR A LONG TIME.

THE UNITED STATES AS YOU MIGHT KNOW IS ONE AIDE HANDFUL OF COUNTRIES AROUND THE WORLD THAT DOESN'T HAVE SOME SORT OF PAID LEAVE PROGRAM.

>> Eric: MAINLY WOMEN?

>> 75% WOMEN, 35% MEN.

THAT'LL STABILIZE A LITTLE BIT OVER TIME AS YOU GET MORE MEDICAL LEAVE CLAIMS IN.

BUT OVERALL, ALL THE DEMOGRAPHICS HAVE BEEN ROUGHLY WHAT WE EXPECT TO SEE.

>> Cathy: THIS IS NOT EXACTLY THE FOCUS OF OUR CONVERSATION HERE TONIGHT BUT I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO COME UP.

WE'VE ALREADY HEARD FROM OUR FRIENDS, THE MAYORS WITH ABOUT THE EFFECTS OF I.C.E.

SURGE IS A SMALL BUSINESSES AND OF COURSE THE GOVERNOR TALKED ABOUT THAT EARLIER THIS WEEK.

WILL ANY PROGRAM GO THROUGH D.E.E.D.

IN ORDER TO BOLSTER SOME OF THOSE SMALL BUSINESSES, LOAN PROGRAMS OR WHATEVER?

>> YEAH, SO THE GOVERNOR AND COMMISSIONER VARILEK OF OUR AGENCY ANNOUNCED A PROPOSAL FOR A $10 MILLION FORGIVABLE LOAN PROGRAM JUST EARLIER THIS WEEK.

SO THIS WOULD BE A FORGIVABLE LOAN PROGRAM TARGETED TO SMALL BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY THE EFFECTS OF OPERATION METRO SURGE, AGAIN, TARGETED TO SMALL BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BEEN DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY THOSE EVENTS FOCUSED ON BUSINESSES THAT HAVE BRICK AND MORTAR AND RETAIL KIND OF OPERATIONS.

>> Cathy: SO YOU'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT?

>> SO IT'S A PROPOSAL.

IT WOULD NEED TO BE ACTIONED BY THE LEGISLATURE.

WE CERTAINLY HOPE THAT THEY TAKE IT UP EXPEDITIOUSLY WHEN THE LEGISLATURE CONVENES THIS COMING TUESDAY.

>> Eric: APPRECIATE THE UPDATE.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.

♪ >> I THINK IT'S ABOUT WHO IS AUTHENTIC, WHO'S REAL, WHO CAN MEET PEOPLE IN THE STREET, WHERE THEY LIVE, WHO CAN TALK TO THEM THE WAY THEY UNDERSTAND IT, ABOUT THE VISION FOR THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

AND THAT'S GOING TO BE THE DIFFERENCE.

WHO CAN ARTICULATE A CLEAR VISION OF WHAT WOULD PUT MINNESOTA BACK ON A ROAD TO PROSPERITY.

>> I AGREE WITH THAT, AND I APPRECIATE TOM TEEING THAT UP FOR ME.

THE REALITY IS THAT I COME FROM AN AREA OF THE STATE WHERE MY DISTRICT'S BEEN CARRIED BY KLOBUCHAR, BY PETERSON, BY MINGE, BY CLINTON.

I'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT AND BEEN ABLE TO ARTICULATE THAT MESSAGE FOR PEOPLE OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO HAVE THAT SUCCESS.

I'VE BEEN ELECTED AND RE-ELECTED THE LEADER OF MY CAUCUS BY MY PEERS.

AND SO I THINK PEOPLE REALLY RIGHT NOW ARE LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS AND TOM AND I ARE BOTH THROWING OUT GOOD SOLUTIONS FOR THE PEOPLE OF MINNESOTA.

THE REALITY IS THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT ONE THING FOR THE ENDORSEMENT AND ONE THING FOR THE GENERAL.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF THAT.

THEY WANT SOMEONE WHO'S GOING TO BE CONSISTENT.

♪ ♪ >> ERIC: MEMBERS OF CONGRESS LEFT WASHINGTON, D.C., ON THURSDAY, HEADING INTO A WEEK-LONG RECESS.

AND THEY DID IT WITHOUT A DEAL IN PLACE TO FUND THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.

WITH A DEADLINE OF MIDNIGHT FRIDAY -- TONIGHT -- LOOMING, A SHUTDOWN OF DHS IS ASSURED.

CLOSER TO HOME, THE MINNESOTA LEGISLATURE STARTS BACK UP NEXT WEEK.

LAWMAKERS WILL RETURN TO FULL FLOOR SESSIONS FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE SPEAKER EMERITA MELISSA HORTMAN, HER HUSBAND MARK, AND DOG GILBERT WERE MURDERED LAST SUMMER.

LOTS TO TALK ABOUT WITH THIS WEEK'S POLITICAL PANEL.

DEMOCRATS UP FIRST TONIGHT.

JEFF HAYDEN IS A FORMER SENATE DEPUTY MAJORITY LEADER, NOW A LEGISLATIVE LOBBYIST.

TARA ERICKSON WAS A LONGTIME LOBBYIST UP AT THE CAPITOL WHO NOW WORKS AS A CONSULTANT.

REPUBLICANS ON THE COUCH: AMY FREDERIKSEN IS A FORMER SENATE MAJORITY LEADER, NOW A LOBBYIST.

AND WE WELCOME BACK EMILY NOVOTNY CHANCE, FORMER WHITE HOUSE INTERN AND LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANT IN THE STATE SENATE.

SHE IS THE YOUNGEST NATIONAL REPUBLICAN COMMITTEE-WOMAN IN THE COUNTRY.

WELCOME, ONE AND ALL.

SAY, SENATOR?

>> YES, OH.

[ Laughter ] >> HMM?

>> Eric: YOU HAD THAT WORKED OUT, DIDN'T YOU?

THE $10 MILLION THAT THE GOVERNOR WANTS, I'VE HEARD SOME CONSERVATIVES ALREADY TALKING ABOUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BAIL OUT MINNEAPOLIS FOR- TH BAIL OUT MINNEAPOLIS FOR- THE AIL OUT MINNEAPOLIS FOR- THE TRL OUT MINNEAPOLIS FOR- THE TROUOUT MINNEAPOLIS FOR- THE TROUBLT MINNEAPOLIS FOR- THE TROUBLE MINNEAPOLIS FOR- THE TROUBLE THNNEAPOLIS FOR- THE TROUBLE THEYEAPOLIS FOR- THE TROUBLE THEY CPOLIS FOR- THE TROUBLE THEY CAULIS FOR- THE TROUBLE THEY CAUSES FOR- THE TROUBLE THEY CAUSED.FOR- THE TROUBLE THEY CAUSED.FOR- >> I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS HOLISTICALLY AND STATEWIDE BECAUSE T ISN'T JUST MINNEAPOLIS AND ST.

PAUL.

THINGS LIKE THIS DON'T HAVE BORDERS AND YOU HEARD A LOT OF STORIES THAT CAME THROUGH ABOUT WILLMAR, SOUTHERN MINNESOTA, AND NORTHERN MINNESOTA.

SO YES I AGREE IT SHOULD NOT BE FOCUSED ON ONE CITY FOR SURE, BUT I THINK THE STATE IS GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS.

COST TO CITIES, ALL CITIES, OR MANY CITIES, ACROSS THE STATE.

THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MIRROR AND MATCH SOME OF THE THINGS WE SAW EVEN DURING COVID.

>> Eric: BUT WITH THE CLOSENESS OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE, I WONDER IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BECOME A PARTISAN DEAL.

>> YEAH, I THINK IT'LL START OUT THAT WAY.

WE HAD THE SAME SIMILAR SITUATION AFTER GEORGE FLOYD IN WHICH THE REPUBLICANS DIDN'T WANT TO BAIL OUT MINNEAPOLIS.

WE EVENTUALLY WORKED OUT A DEAL HERE IT WENT TO THE MINNEAPOLIS FOUNDATION OR OTHER ENTITIES AND THE INITIATIVE FOUNDATION AS THE MAIN STREET PROGRAM.

AND SO THAT WAS A WAY FOR OTHER JURISDICTIONS TO BE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THAT MONEY AND YOU BE ABLE TO SAY YOU'RE NOT GIVING IT TO A CITY.

>> Cathy: I'M CURIOUS HERE, EMILY, HOW MUCH DO POLLS AND HOW MUCH DO POLITICS PLAY INTO THE SCALE-BACK?

>> I THINK A LOT OF THIS DRAWING DOWN IS BECAUSE THEY- ACAWING DOWN IS BECAUSE THEY- ACCOING DOWN IS BECAUSE THEY- ACCOMPG DOWN IS BECAUSE THEY- ACCOMPLIDOWN IS BECAUSE THEY- ACCOMPLISHWN IS BECAUSE THEY- ACCOMPLISHED IS BECAUSE THEY- ACCOMPLISHED AS BECAUSE THEY- ACCOMPLISHED A LBECAUSE THEY- ACCOMPLISHED A LOTCAUSE THEY- ACCOMPLISHED A LOT OUSE THEY- ACCOMPLISHED A LOT OF E THEY- ACCOMPLISHED A LOT OF WHTHEY- ACCOMPLISHED A LOT OF WHATEY- ACCOMPLISHED A LOT OF WHATEY- THEIR GOALS WERE.

THEY CAME IN SAYING THEY WANTED O HIT THAT 4,000 NUMBER.

AND N TOP OF THAT, THEY FOUND OVER 3,300 ISSING CHILDREN.

SO THEY'VE SUCCEEDED IN A LOT OF WAYS THAT THEY WANTED TO.

I THINK TOM HOLMAN COMING IN NND WORKING WITH LOCAL AND STATE OFFICIALS HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL.

>> Cathy: THAT IS THE NARRATIVE COMING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.

BUT THE SURGE IS WILDRILY UNPOPULAR.

AND THAT'S GOT TO PLAY A ROLE IN THIS DECISION, DON'T YOU THINK?

>> YOU COULD SAY THAT PLAYED A ROLE.

I THINK THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO.

AND NOW THEY'RE HAVING THAT COOPERATION, THEY'RE ABLE TO SCALE BACK BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING WITH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO MAKE THESE REMOVALS.

>> Cathy: WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> WELL, I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS, ESPECIALLY OUR DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS, YOU'VE HEARD FROM SHERIFFS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS THAT REALLY THEIR POLICIES HADN'T CHANGED.

AND SO THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE RHETORIC THAT WAS COMING OUT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT ALL WAS ACTUALLY ACCURATE.

AND THE FACT THAT THEY'VE TAKEN 4,000 PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ABOUT MAYBE THREE TO FOUR HUNDRED OF THEM ACTUALLY HAD CRIMINAL RECORDS.

SO YOU'RE REALLY JUST RIPPING MOMS, DADS, AUNTS, UNCLES, AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILIES.

AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO REALIZE THAT IMMIGRATION IS A CIVIL OFFENSE, AND WHAT HAPPENED HERE AND WHAT OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DID TO OUR STATE AND TO OUR COMMUNITIES HAS BEEN REALLY APPALLING.

>> Eric: HAS JACOB FREY, THE MAYOR OF MINNEAPOLIS, REVIVED HIS CAREER.

OF COURSE HE JUST WON REELECTION.

HE'S ON THE DAILY SHOW FOR 20 MINUTES?

>> WELL, I MEAN, POTENTIALLY, I THINK HE ALWAYS KIND OF WAS.

BUT I THINK CERTAINLY I WON'T SPEAK FOR HIM, BUT I WOULD GUESS THAT HE WOULD NOT WANT THAT.

I THINK HE WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE HAD METRO SURGE HAPPEN AT ALL FOR THAT.

I THINK IT CAN BE BOTH IN THIS SITUATION, RIGHT?

I THINK THAT THE RHETORIC GOT TOO HIGH.

I THINK WE CAN SAY THAT.

I THINK I CAN IVE A BIG KUDOS TO DIRECTOR HOLMAN, BECAUSE I THINK HE CAME IN AND HE RATCHETED DOWN THE RHETORIC AND HE DID HIS JOB AND HE DID IT WELL, AND YAY FOR HIM.

I CAN ALSO SAY, I MISS APPRENTICE TRUMP A LITTLE BIT.

THE OPERATION FOR THE FIRST MONTH AND A HALF WAS DISASTROUS, DANGEROUS, AND DEADLY.

AND YOU DON'T GET PEOPLE DOING A GOOD JOB IF YOU JUST LET EVERYBODY GET AWAY WITH DOING A BAD JOB.

>> Eric: AND MAYOR FREY?

>> YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT JACOB IS ARTICULATE AND SMART.

HE'S BEEN THROUGH THIS EFORE, UNFORTUNATELY, SO THINK HE HAD A BETTER HANDLE ON HOW TO WORK THROUGH THESE ISSUES.

I THINK HE -- BECAUSE HE JUST CAME OFF AN ELECTION CYCLE, HE HAD REALLY BEEN, LIKE, IN COMMUNITY AND UNDERSTOOD KIND OF EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T VOTE OR HIM, THE KIND OF THINGS AND WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE STREET.

I DON'T REALLY -- PEOPLE MAY THINK IT'S PERFORMATIVE, BUT THAT'S HOW PEOPLE FEEL.

AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR.

THAT'S HOW PEOPLE FEEL TODAY.

PEOPLE DON'T TRUST ON THE GROUND THAT THEY HAVE LEFT OR THAT THEY'RE LEAVING.

PEOPLE ARE STILL -- THE DOORS ARE STILL LOCKED.

THE GROCERY TORES, YOU KNOW, ET CETERA.

SO I DON'T WANT TO DOMINATE THE CONVERSATION, BUT REALLY FEEL THE WAY JACOB FREY IS ARTICULATING.

>> Cathy: THE MORNING -- THE AFTERNOON OF THE ANNOUNCEMENT, SAW SO MANY FAR LEFT PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS NOT HAPPY WITH THE GOVERNOR, THINKING THINKITHINKING THAT HE CAVED, HT WAS KIND OF THE NARRATIVE THAT WE WERE HEARING.

WHAT ABOUT THAT?

WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

IF THEY JUST FELT LIKE HE SHOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT ALL, BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

I WILL SAY, WHATEVER HAD TO HAPPEN FOR THEM TO SAY THAT THEY ARE LEAVING, I THINK IS A PLUS FOR THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

SO THAT PEOPLE CAN START HEALING.

AND WE CAN GET BACK -- LIKE, I'M SO PROUD TO BE A MINNESOTAN RIGHT NOW.

AND HOW OUR COMMUNITY CAME TOGETHER.

AND IF PEOPLE ARE UPSET WITH GOVERNOR WALZ, I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE HOW THIS HAPPENED, BUT I'M GLAD IT DID.

>> I DO TISK >> I DO TIS THINK IT'S UNFAIR, THOUGH, NO OTHER STATE IN THE COUNTRY HAD THIS SORT OF CIVIL UNREST.

LOUISIANA, OHIO, FLORIDA, NO OTHER STATE HAD THIS SORT OF ISSUES AND IT'S NOT JUST ON THE ADMINISTRATION AND PEOPLE WHO WERE IN CHARGE BEFORE DIRECTOR HOLMAN CAME IN.

THAT'S ON GOVERNOR WALZ AND TIM FREY AND THE RHETORIC OF THE DEMOCRATS IN THIS STATE TRYING TO COVER UP $19 BILLION IN FRAUD.

>> BOY, THAT NUMBER GOT BIG ALL A SUDDEN.

>> IT'S BIG.

>> I THINK -- >> TRILLION DOLLARS NOW.

>> I THINK CERTAINLY THE RHETORIC 100% CONTRIBUTED.

BUT ALSO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES WITH THEIR SALT AFTER THE FIRST DEADLY SHOOTING WOULD HAVE HALTED OPERATIONS AND BEGUN AN INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY, AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, AND THEY DOUBLED DOWN.

SO IN THAT WAY, I HAVE A PROBLEM.

BUT I ALSO CAN'T IGNORE THAT THE RHETORIC WAS RATCHETED UP.

ALL OF THIS WAS DONE FOR POLITICAL REASONS.

AND ALL OF THIS UNNECESSARY.

AND MINNESOTANS DIED.

AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE SHOULD BE A PRICE -- THERE SHOULD ABE PRICE THAT IS PAID FOR FOLKS THAT WERE IN LEADERSHIP AT THE TIME THAT ALL OF THAT HAPPENED OR CERTAINLY QUESTIONS ANSWERED ABOUT WHAT WENT WRONG.

AND PEOPLE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

>> AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT LIKE, IT WASN'T PEOPLE IN THE DEMOCRATS IN SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS THAT TOOK THE FIGHT TO DHS OR TO I.C.E.

IT WAS THEM THAT INVADED THEIR COMMUNITIES AND THEY WERE STANDING UP FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THEIR CHILDREN.

THEY WERE STANDING UP FOR THEIR COMMUNITIES, GEORGE FLOYD, ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO DIED WERE IN THE DISTRICT HAT I REPRESENTED.

THEY WERE FIGHTING FOR THOSE PEOPLE.

THIS WASN'T SOME KIND OF CONSPIRACY THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GO OUT AND FIND LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND GO AFTER.

THEY WERE DEFENDING THEMSELVES.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACCURATE EITHER.

YOU LOOK AT THAT SIGNAL GROUP CHAT WHERE THEY'RE GOING AFTER AND TRYING TO SPECIFICALLY FIND LAW ENFORCEMENT AND SAYING THERE'S A INCURSION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COMING IN AND ENFORCING THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY IS INSANE.

>> THEY DIDN'T START THAT FIGHT AT ALL.

>> WE HAVE MAYBE 130,000 AT TOPS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE WHO ARE UNDOCUMENTED.

THEY ARE NOT GOING INTO TEXAS.

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO FLORIDA WHERE THEY HAVE 1.6 AND 1.8 MILLION PEOPLE UNDOCUMENTED.

THE PRESIDENT LITERALLY PUT OUT THAT THIS WAS RHETT ARE RET, AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.

PEOPLE DIED, AND OUR ENTIRE STATE IS GOING TO BE FEELING THIS FOR DECADES.

HONESTLY.

>> Cathy: I'M CURIOUS HERE, OH, SHOOT, THERE'S A MINUTE LEFT.

BECAUSE NOW THAT AGENTS ARE LEAVING, I WONDER IF WE'LL SEE THEM COME BACK, THOUGH, FOR THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS?

BAWTSZ STEVE BANNON WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT.

THE PRESIDENT SAID THERE WILL BE VOTER I.D.

FOR MIDTERMS WHETHER CONGRESS APPROVES IT OR NOT.

>> I THINK THAT IS IS ABSOLUTELY THE FEAR, THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS GOING TO BE SENDING AGAIN MASS POLICE TO GO TO POLLING STATIONS.

>> Eric: A JUICY TOPIC FOR ANOTHER SHOW.

>> WE'LL BE READY FOR 'EM, LET ME SAY.

>> Cathy: WAIT MINUTE, NO, THERE'S 30 SECONDS.

>> THERE'S A ROLE FOR I.C.E.

TO PLAY BY THE WAY AND THAT'S GETTING LOST IN THIS AS WELL.

I THINK THERE'S A SORT OF IDEA TOO THAT THEY'VE BEEN HERE, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING JUST FINE WITH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND THAT CAN'T BE IGNORED IN THIS CONVERSATION EITHER.

>> Eric: HOW LOW ARE EXPECTATIONS FOR THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION?

>> VERY.

VERY LOW.

>> NOT ME.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT.

>> Eric: BONDING BILL?

>> OF COURSE.

WE'RE GOING TO GET A BONDING BILL DONE.

SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY T AT LEAST.

[ Laughter ] >> Eric: I'M HEADING TO THE MONITOR.

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