>> ERIC: MEMBERS OF CONGRESS LEFT WASHINGTON, D.C., ON THURSDAY, HEADING INTO A WEEK-LONG RECESS.

AND THEY DID IT WITHOUT A DEAL IN PLACE TO FUND THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.

WITH A DEADLINE OF MIDNIGHT FRIDAY -- TONIGHT -- LOOMING, A SHUTDOWN OF DHS IS ASSURED.

CLOSER TO HOME, THE MINNESOTA LEGISLATURE STARTS BACK UP NEXT WEEK.

LAWMAKERS WILL RETURN TO FULL FLOOR SESSIONS FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE SPEAKER EMERITA MELISSA HORTMAN, HER HUSBAND MARK, AND DOG GILBERT WERE MURDERED LAST SUMMER.

LOTS TO TALK ABOUT WITH THIS WEEK'S POLITICAL PANEL.

DEMOCRATS UP FIRST TONIGHT.

JEFF HAYDEN IS A FORMER SENATE DEPUTY MAJORITY LEADER, NOW A LEGISLATIVE LOBBYIST.

TARA ERICKSON WAS A LONGTIME LOBBYIST UP AT THE CAPITOL WHO NOW WORKS AS A CONSULTANT.

REPUBLICANS ON THE COUCH: AMY FREDERIKSEN IS A FORMER SENATE MAJORITY LEADER, NOW A LOBBYIST.

AND WE WELCOME BACK EMILY NOVOTNY CHANCE, FORMER WHITE HOUSE INTERN AND LEGISLATIVE ASSISTANT IN THE STATE SENATE.

SHE IS THE YOUNGEST NATIONAL REPUBLICAN COMMITTEE-WOMAN IN THE COUNTRY.

WELCOME, ONE AND ALL.

SAY, SENATOR?

>> YES, OH.

[ Laughter ] >> HMM?

>> Eric: YOU HAD THAT WORKED OUT, DIDN'T YOU?

THE $10 MILLION THAT THE GOVERNOR WANTS, I'VE HEARD SOME CONSERVATIVES ALREADY TALKING ABOUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BAIL OUT MINNEAPOLIS FOR- TH BAIL OUT MINNEAPOLIS FOR- THE AIL OUT MINNEAPOLIS FOR- THE TRL OUT MINNEAPOLIS FOR- THE TROUOUT MINNEAPOLIS FOR- THE TROUBLT MINNEAPOLIS FOR- THE TROUBLE MINNEAPOLIS FOR- THE TROUBLE THNNEAPOLIS FOR- THE TROUBLE THEYEAPOLIS FOR- THE TROUBLE THEY CPOLIS FOR- THE TROUBLE THEY CAULIS FOR- THE TROUBLE THEY CAUSES FOR- THE TROUBLE THEY CAUSED.FOR- THE TROUBLE THEY CAUSED.FOR- >> I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS HOLISTICALLY AND STATEWIDE BECAUSE T ISN'T JUST MINNEAPOLIS AND ST.

PAUL.

THINGS LIKE THIS DON'T HAVE BORDERS AND YOU HEARD A LOT OF STORIES THAT CAME THROUGH ABOUT WILLMAR, SOUTHERN MINNESOTA, AND NORTHERN MINNESOTA.

SO YES I AGREE IT SHOULD NOT BE FOCUSED ON ONE CITY FOR SURE, BUT I THINK THE STATE IS GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS.

COST TO CITIES, ALL CITIES, OR MANY CITIES, ACROSS THE STATE.

THAT, YOU KNOW, KIND OF MIRROR AND MATCH SOME OF THE THINGS WE SAW EVEN DURING COVID.

>> Eric: BUT WITH THE CLOSENESS OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE, I WONDER IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BECOME A PARTISAN DEAL.

>> YEAH, I THINK IT'LL START OUT THAT WAY.

WE HAD THE SAME SIMILAR SITUATION AFTER GEORGE FLOYD IN WHICH THE REPUBLICANS DIDN'T WANT TO BAIL OUT MINNEAPOLIS.

WE EVENTUALLY WORKED OUT A DEAL HERE IT WENT TO THE MINNEAPOLIS FOUNDATION OR OTHER ENTITIES AND THE INITIATIVE FOUNDATION AS THE MAIN STREET PROGRAM.

AND SO THAT WAS A WAY FOR OTHER JURISDICTIONS TO BE ABLE TO GET SOME OF THAT MONEY AND YOU BE ABLE TO SAY YOU'RE NOT GIVING IT TO A CITY.

>> Cathy: I'M CURIOUS HERE, EMILY, HOW MUCH DO POLLS AND HOW MUCH DO POLITICS PLAY INTO THE SCALE-BACK?

>> I THINK A LOT OF THIS DRAWING DOWN IS BECAUSE THEY- ACAWING DOWN IS BECAUSE THEY- ACCOING DOWN IS BECAUSE THEY- ACCOMPG DOWN IS BECAUSE THEY- ACCOMPLIDOWN IS BECAUSE THEY- ACCOMPLISHWN IS BECAUSE THEY- ACCOMPLISHED IS BECAUSE THEY- ACCOMPLISHED AS BECAUSE THEY- ACCOMPLISHED A LBECAUSE THEY- ACCOMPLISHED A LOTCAUSE THEY- ACCOMPLISHED A LOT OUSE THEY- ACCOMPLISHED A LOT OF E THEY- ACCOMPLISHED A LOT OF WHTHEY- ACCOMPLISHED A LOT OF WHATEY- ACCOMPLISHED A LOT OF WHATEY- THEIR GOALS WERE.

THEY CAME IN SAYING THEY WANTED O HIT THAT 4,000 NUMBER.

AND N TOP OF THAT, THEY FOUND OVER 3,300 ISSING CHILDREN.

SO THEY'VE SUCCEEDED IN A LOT OF WAYS THAT THEY WANTED TO.

I THINK TOM HOLMAN COMING IN NND WORKING WITH LOCAL AND STATE OFFICIALS HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL.

>> Cathy: THAT IS THE NARRATIVE COMING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION.

BUT THE SURGE IS WILDRILY UNPOPULAR.

AND THAT'S GOT TO PLAY A ROLE IN THIS DECISION, DON'T YOU THINK?

>> YOU COULD SAY THAT PLAYED A ROLE.

I THINK THEY'RE DOING WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO.

AND NOW THEY'RE HAVING THAT COOPERATION, THEY'RE ABLE TO SCALE BACK BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING WITH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT TO MAKE THESE REMOVALS.

>> Cathy: WHAT DO YOU THINK?

>> WELL, I THINK A LOT OF FOLKS, ESPECIALLY OUR DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS, YOU'VE HEARD FROM SHERIFFS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS THAT REALLY THEIR POLICIES HADN'T CHANGED.

AND SO THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THE RHETORIC THAT WAS COMING OUT OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT ALL WAS ACTUALLY ACCURATE.

AND THE FACT THAT THEY'VE TAKEN 4,000 PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ABOUT MAYBE THREE TO FOUR HUNDRED OF THEM ACTUALLY HAD CRIMINAL RECORDS.

SO YOU'RE REALLY JUST RIPPING MOMS, DADS, AUNTS, UNCLES, AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILIES.

AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO REALIZE THAT IMMIGRATION IS A CIVIL OFFENSE, AND WHAT HAPPENED HERE AND WHAT OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DID TO OUR STATE AND TO OUR COMMUNITIES HAS BEEN REALLY APPALLING.

>> Eric: HAS JACOB FREY, THE MAYOR OF MINNEAPOLIS, REVIVED HIS CAREER.

OF COURSE HE JUST WON REELECTION.

HE'S ON THE DAILY SHOW FOR 20 MINUTES?

>> WELL, I MEAN, POTENTIALLY, I THINK HE ALWAYS KIND OF WAS.

BUT I THINK CERTAINLY I WON'T SPEAK FOR HIM, BUT I WOULD GUESS THAT HE WOULD NOT WANT THAT.

I THINK HE WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE HAD METRO SURGE HAPPEN AT ALL FOR THAT.

I THINK IT CAN BE BOTH IN THIS SITUATION, RIGHT?

I THINK THAT THE RHETORIC GOT TOO HIGH.

I THINK WE CAN SAY THAT.

I THINK I CAN IVE A BIG KUDOS TO DIRECTOR HOLMAN, BECAUSE I THINK HE CAME IN AND HE RATCHETED DOWN THE RHETORIC AND HE DID HIS JOB AND HE DID IT WELL, AND YAY FOR HIM.

I CAN ALSO SAY, I MISS APPRENTICE TRUMP A LITTLE BIT.

THE OPERATION FOR THE FIRST MONTH AND A HALF WAS DISASTROUS, DANGEROUS, AND DEADLY.

AND YOU DON'T GET PEOPLE DOING A GOOD JOB IF YOU JUST LET EVERYBODY GET AWAY WITH DOING A BAD JOB.

>> Eric: AND MAYOR FREY?

>> YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT JACOB IS ARTICULATE AND SMART.

HE'S BEEN THROUGH THIS EFORE, UNFORTUNATELY, SO THINK HE HAD A BETTER HANDLE ON HOW TO WORK THROUGH THESE ISSUES.

I THINK HE -- BECAUSE HE JUST CAME OFF AN ELECTION CYCLE, HE HAD REALLY BEEN, LIKE, IN COMMUNITY AND UNDERSTOOD KIND OF EVEN THE PEOPLE WHO DIDN'T VOTE OR HIM, THE KIND OF THINGS AND WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE STREET.

I DON'T REALLY -- PEOPLE MAY THINK IT'S PERFORMATIVE, BUT THAT'S HOW PEOPLE FEEL.

AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR.

THAT'S HOW PEOPLE FEEL TODAY.

PEOPLE DON'T TRUST ON THE GROUND THAT THEY HAVE LEFT OR THAT THEY'RE LEAVING.

PEOPLE ARE STILL -- THE DOORS ARE STILL LOCKED.

THE GROCERY TORES, YOU KNOW, ET CETERA.

SO I DON'T WANT TO DOMINATE THE CONVERSATION, BUT REALLY FEEL THE WAY JACOB FREY IS ARTICULATING.

>> Cathy: THE MORNING -- THE AFTERNOON OF THE ANNOUNCEMENT, SAW SO MANY FAR LEFT PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS NOT HAPPY WITH THE GOVERNOR, THINKING THINKITHINKING THAT HE CAVED, HT WAS KIND OF THE NARRATIVE THAT WE WERE HEARING.

WHAT ABOUT THAT?

WHAT WAS THAT ABOUT?

>> I DON'T KNOW.

IF THEY JUST FELT LIKE HE SHOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AT ALL, BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO OUR COMMUNITY.

I WILL SAY, WHATEVER HAD TO HAPPEN FOR THEM TO SAY THAT THEY ARE LEAVING, I THINK IS A PLUS FOR THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

SO THAT PEOPLE CAN START HEALING.

AND WE CAN GET BACK -- LIKE, I'M SO PROUD TO BE A MINNESOTAN RIGHT NOW.

AND HOW OUR COMMUNITY CAME TOGETHER.

AND IF PEOPLE ARE UPSET WITH GOVERNOR WALZ, I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE HOW THIS HAPPENED, BUT I'M GLAD IT DID.

>> I DO TISK >> I DO TIS THINK IT'S UNFAIR, THOUGH, NO OTHER STATE IN THE COUNTRY HAD THIS SORT OF CIVIL UNREST.

LOUISIANA, OHIO, FLORIDA, NO OTHER STATE HAD THIS SORT OF ISSUES AND IT'S NOT JUST ON THE ADMINISTRATION AND PEOPLE WHO WERE IN CHARGE BEFORE DIRECTOR HOLMAN CAME IN.

THAT'S ON GOVERNOR WALZ AND TIM FREY AND THE RHETORIC OF THE DEMOCRATS IN THIS STATE TRYING TO COVER UP $19 BILLION IN FRAUD.

>> BOY, THAT NUMBER GOT BIG ALL A SUDDEN.

>> IT'S BIG.

>> I THINK -- >> TRILLION DOLLARS NOW.

>> I THINK CERTAINLY THE RHETORIC 100% CONTRIBUTED.

BUT ALSO LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES WITH THEIR SALT AFTER THE FIRST DEADLY SHOOTING WOULD HAVE HALTED OPERATIONS AND BEGUN AN INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT HAPPENED AND WHY, AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, AND THEY DOUBLED DOWN.

SO IN THAT WAY, I HAVE A PROBLEM.

BUT I ALSO CAN'T IGNORE THAT THE RHETORIC WAS RATCHETED UP.

ALL OF THIS WAS DONE FOR POLITICAL REASONS.

AND ALL OF THIS UNNECESSARY.

AND MINNESOTANS DIED.

AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE SHOULD BE A PRICE -- THERE SHOULD ABE PRICE THAT IS PAID FOR FOLKS THAT WERE IN LEADERSHIP AT THE TIME THAT ALL OF THAT HAPPENED OR CERTAINLY QUESTIONS ANSWERED ABOUT WHAT WENT WRONG.

AND PEOPLE HELD ACCOUNTABLE.

>> AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT LIKE, IT WASN'T PEOPLE IN THE DEMOCRATS IN SOUTH MINNEAPOLIS THAT TOOK THE FIGHT TO DHS OR TO I.C.E.

IT WAS THEM THAT INVADED THEIR COMMUNITIES AND THEY WERE STANDING UP FOR THEIR NEIGHBORS AND THEIR CHILDREN.

THEY WERE STANDING UP FOR THEIR COMMUNITIES, GEORGE FLOYD, ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO DIED WERE IN THE DISTRICT HAT I REPRESENTED.

THEY WERE FIGHTING FOR THOSE PEOPLE.

THIS WASN'T SOME KIND OF CONSPIRACY THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GO OUT AND FIND LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS AND GO AFTER.

THEY WERE DEFENDING THEMSELVES.

>> I DON'T THINK THAT'S ACCURATE EITHER.

YOU LOOK AT THAT SIGNAL GROUP CHAT WHERE THEY'RE GOING AFTER AND TRYING TO SPECIFICALLY FIND LAW ENFORCEMENT AND SAYING THERE'S A INCURSION FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT COMING IN AND ENFORCING THE LAWS OF THIS COUNTRY IS INSANE.

>> THEY DIDN'T START THAT FIGHT AT ALL.

>> WE HAVE MAYBE 130,000 AT TOPS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE WHO ARE UNDOCUMENTED.

THEY ARE NOT GOING INTO TEXAS.

THEY ARE NOT GOING TO FLORIDA WHERE THEY HAVE 1.6 AND 1.8 MILLION PEOPLE UNDOCUMENTED.

THE PRESIDENT LITERALLY PUT OUT THAT THIS WAS RHETT ARE RET, AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.

PEOPLE DIED, AND OUR ENTIRE STATE IS GOING TO BE FEELING THIS FOR DECADES.

HONESTLY.

>> Cathy: I'M CURIOUS HERE, OH, SHOOT, THERE'S A MINUTE LEFT.

BECAUSE NOW THAT AGENTS ARE LEAVING, I WONDER IF WE'LL SEE THEM COME BACK, THOUGH, FOR THE MIDTERM ELECTIONS?

BAWTSZ STEVE BANNON WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT.

THE PRESIDENT SAID THERE WILL BE VOTER I.D.

FOR MIDTERMS WHETHER CONGRESS APPROVES IT OR NOT.

>> I THINK THAT IS IS ABSOLUTELY THE FEAR, THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO IS GOING TO BE SENDING AGAIN MASS POLICE TO GO TO POLLING STATIONS.

>> Eric: A JUICY TOPIC FOR ANOTHER SHOW.

>> WE'LL BE READY FOR 'EM, LET ME SAY.

>> Cathy: WAIT MINUTE, NO, THERE'S 30 SECONDS.

>> THERE'S A ROLE FOR I.C.E.

TO PLAY BY THE WAY AND THAT'S GETTING LOST IN THIS AS WELL.

I THINK THERE'S A SORT OF IDEA TOO THAT THEY'VE BEEN HERE, THEY'VE BEEN WORKING JUST FINE WITH LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND THAT CAN'T BE IGNORED IN THIS CONVERSATION EITHER.

>> Eric: HOW LOW ARE EXPECTATIONS FOR THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION?

>> VERY.

VERY LOW.

>> NOT ME.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT.

>> Eric: BONDING BILL?

>> OF COURSE.

WE'RE GOING TO GET A BONDING BILL DONE.

SOMEBODY HAS TO SAY T AT LEAST.

[ Laughter ]