>> CATHY: IT IS A RARE OCCURRENCE FOR US TO START THE SHOW WITH THE SAME GUEST TWO WEEKS IN A ROW.

BUT WE ARE LIVING IN UNCHARTED WATERS HERE IN MINNESOTA.

PUBLIC SAFETY COMMISSIONER BOB JACOBSON WAS HERE LAST FRIDAY NIGHT ON THE HEELS OF THE ANNOUNCED DRAWDOWN OF FEDERAL FORCES IN MINNESOTA.

HE HAS RETURNED TONIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE ANNOUNCED END OF OPERATION METRO SURGE, THE LARGEST IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT DEPLOYMENT IN U.S.

HISTORY.

AND WITH THE LEGISLATURE RETURNING TO THE CAPITOL NEXT WEEK, WE HOPE TO SAVE A LITTLE TIME TO TALK WITH THE COMMISSIONER ABOUT SECURITY IN THE PEOPLE'S HOUSE.

GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

WE HAVE TO STOP MEETING LIKE THIS I THINK.

BUT THANK YOU.

>> ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO BE WITH YOU.

>> Cathy: APPRECIATE IT.

A LOT OF TALK ON SOCIAL MEDIA, AFTER THE ANNOUNCEMENT WAS MADE, AND I'M WONDERING, CAN YOU TELL US, WERE THERE NEGOTIATIONS?

AND WERE THERE ANY CONCESSIONS THE GOVERNOR HAD TO MAKE TO GET THIS WITHDRAWAL?

>> SO THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

FIRST OF ALL, IT WAS GOOD NEWS TO HEAR THAT THIS DRAWDOWN WILL BE OCCURRING, WE HOPE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS.

WE HAVE CONSISTENT AND CONSTANT CONVERSATIONS WITH I.C.E.

AND I.C.E.

LEADERSHIP THAT ARE HERE IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

THOSE CONVERSATIONS REVOLVE AROUND HOW WE CAN REDUCE THE FOOT PRINTED OF IMMIGRATION OFFICERS THAT ARE HERE AND DOING THIS WORK.

THOSE CONVERSATIONS ALSO REVOLVE AROUND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO INVESTIGATE OR PARTNER WITH INVESTIGATIONS ON THREE FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTINGS THAT OCCURRED HERE.

>> Eric: AND HOW IS THAT GOING?

IS THAT HAPPENING?

>> WE ARE NOT GETTING A LOT OF COOPERATION RIGHT NOW ON ANY OF THOSE THREE INVESTIGATIONS.

AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO PUSH.

WE THINK THAT THE STATE OF MINNESOTA DEMANDS THAT THE BUREAU OF CRIMINAL APP REHENGS BE INVOLVED IN THOSE INVESTIGATIONS.

WE THINK THAT IS PRUDENT FOR US TO BE INVOLVED AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR SOME SIGN OF OOPERATION FROM OUR FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

>> Cathy: AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE KILLINGS OF ALEX PRETTI, RENEE GOOD, AND THEN THE SHOOTING IN THE LEG OF THE VENEZUELAN INDIVIDUAL IN MINNEAPOLIS, STHEASHT?

>> IS THAT RIGHT.

>> Cathy: THAT CASE IS INTERESTING BECAUSE THE FEDS HAVE OPENED A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION INTO THOSE TWO FEDERAL AGENTS WHO LIED UNDER OATH ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.

THE CHARGES HAVE BEEN DROPPED AGAINST THEM, THE TWO VENEZUELAN INDIVIDUALS.

YOU WANT A PIECE OF THAT INVESTIGATION TOO?

>> ABSOLUTELY.

ANY TIME THERE'S A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA, OUR HISTORY WITH FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT IS THAT WE DO JOINT INVESTIGATIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE'S A USE OF FORCE SUCH AS THIS.

WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST.

WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO PARTNER WITH THEM IN THE FUTURE.

WE THINK MINNESOTANS REALLY EXPECT THAT.

WE HAVE A SPECIFIC UNIT AT THE MINNESOTA BUREAU OF CRIMINAL APPREHENSION, THAT IS TRUSTED, THAT IS HIGHLY TRAINED, THAT THEY KNOW HOW TO DO THESE INVESTIGATIONS AND WE CAN DO THEM IN COOPERATION WITH THEM OR THEY CAN HARE INFORMATION WITH US TO DO THOSE SEPARATELY.

THEY HAVE NOT INVITED US IN TO DO A COOPERATIVE JOINT INVESTIGATION.

>> Eric: HAT DO YOU MAKE OF THE COMMENTS FROM THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION THAT THE OPERATION HAS MADE MINNESOTA SAFER?

>> WELL, I'VE EARD THAT COMMENT.

I THINK WHAT MAKES MINNESOTA SAFER IS WHEN COMMUNITIES CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE SAFER.

I THINK WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN OUR STATE AND IN SOME AREAS, PEOPLE DO NOT FEEL SAFE.

AND I THINK HERE'S BEEN A LACK OF OR A LOSS OF TRUST IN LAW ENFORCEMENT.

ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS AS A COMMISSIONER OF PUBLIC SAFETY, I OVERSEE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA.

FROM OUR STATE RESOURCES.

THE LAST THING THAT I WANT TO DO IS FOR ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO LOSE THE TRUST OF THE PUBLIC.

WE ARE SWORN TO SERVE.

WE TAKE AN OATH TO SERVE.

MINNESOTA LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS DEVELOPED A HISTORY OF PROFESSIONAL POLICING.

THAT I THINK IS SECOND TO NONE.

AND WHEN WE HAVE THE POTENTIAL LOSS OF TRUST, IF THE PUBLIC AND MINNESOTANS DON'T FEEL AS THOUGH THE INVESTIGATIONS ARE BEING DONE PROPERLY OR THAT THE WORK OF A FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OR ANY OTHER IS NOT UP TO STANDARD, THEN WE LOSE THAT TRUST.

>> Cathy: I'M WONDERING HERE, YOU KNOW, THERE SEEMS TO BE TWO DIFFERENT STORIES.

BORDER CZAR HOLMAN WAS TALKING ABOUT THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT COOPERATION ON THE PART OF STATE OFFICIALS WITH THE FEDS.

BUT IN TERMS OF COUNTY JAILS AND DETAINING POTENTIAL CRIMINALS, BUT THE SHERIFFS SAY, GOSH, OUR POLICIES HAVEN'T CHANGED.

SO WHAT'S THE REAL STORY HERE?

>> SO EACH SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR POLICY AND HOW THEY WANT TO APPROACH IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT OR NOTICE OF DETAINERS TO FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT.

AND SO EACH COUNTY WOULD MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T KEEP UP TO DATE ON WHICH COUNTY MAY BE DOING -- SHARING INFORMATION OR NOT.

EVERY COUNTY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY, SHOULD THEY WISH, TO NOTIFY I.C.E.

IF SOMEONE IS BEING DETAINED THAT HAS A CIVIL IMMIGRATION DETAINER.

BUT AS A REMINDER, LAW ENFORCEMENT IN THE STATE OF MINNESOTA CANNOT HOLD SOMEONE JUST SPECIFICALLY ONLY ON A CIVIL IMMIGRATION DETAINER.

WE CAN HOLD THEM ON A CRIMINAL CHARGE.

SO NOTIFICATION CAN BE MADE.

TO I.C.E.

OR FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT IF SOMEONE IS IN CUSTODY THAT MAY HAVE AN I.C.E.

DETAINER, BUT WE CANNOT HOLD THEM STRICTLY ON THAT.

>> Eric: PLANS FOR TUESDAY AND THE ENHANCED SECURITY?

>> WE'RE REALLY EXCITED TO ROLL OUT WEAPONS SCREENING FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER AT OUR STATE CAPITOL.

YOU KNOW, I'VE HAD A LOT OF CONCERNS AS WE HAVE SEEN INCRINCREASED FLETS AGAINST ELECTED OFFICIALS.

WE HAD THE MURDER OF MELISSA AND MARK HORTMAN OF COURSE LAST SUMMER.

THE SHOOTING OF JOHN AND YVETTE HOFFMAN AND WE'RE SEEING INCREASED LEVELS OF THREAT.

WE THINK IT'S PRUDENT TO INITIATE WEAPONS SCREENING.

WE ALSO WENT THROUGH A.C.A.S.

MEETINGS AS YOU'RE AWARE AND THERE WAS A REPORT THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND THE NUMBER ONE RECOMMENDATION WAS TO DO WEAPONS SCREENING.

AND SO WE ARE GOING TO IMPLEMENT THAT.

>> Eric: WE'LL HAVE YOU BACK TO TALK ABOUT THAT AS WE SEE HOW IT PROCEEDS.

>> I WOULD LOVE THAT.

>> Cathy: WE'RE GOING TO HEAD OVER TO THE OTHER SIDE OF